Ex-Zambian VP mocks Mugabe

LUSAKA/HARARE - Former Zambian vice-president Guy Scott has chided President Robert Mugabe over the use of political violence to remain in power.

He said he differed with his country’s president, Edgar Lungu, over the use of political violence.

“I told the president (Lungu) that if you want me back, allow all (former President Michael) Sata’s people to come back. I went all the way to western, north-western Copperbelt and I can’t just leave them. My other condition was ‘get rid of violence’.

“We don’t want this country to be like Zimbabwe. Why should we voluntarily become like Zimbabwe, where the president can lose an election and eight years later, he is still there?” Scott wondered.

Mugabe has in the past been accused of using violence against his opponents to gain support for his Zanu PF party.

“I know it’s not trivial. You have to be committed to stopping violence. I admit part of it is my fault because when I wanted William Banda out of Bauleni, I went and recruited people and say ‘can you protect the people in Bauleni’  but they themselves became thugs. I apologise, because they thought they were more powerful than police, so they started getting money from buses.”

In an interview, Scott said Lungu’s election was  merely driven by the mourning period  and its immediate need to replace Sata and not necessarily based on serious scrutiny of the state of affairs.

“If you look at the map of this country, half of the country is green and the other half is red. If you take the line to the Copperbelt, including towns down to the corner where Luangwa flows into the Zambezi, you will find every district on the left has majority of its people for Hichilema Hakainde.

Every district on the right is for PF or Edgar. So that tells you something. Do you want your country split into two?” Scott asked.

“We want to put an end to that split. We don’t want a split country where the majority of PF is on one side and the other majority for UPND is on the other side.

If we can spread across the divide, it is a powerful unit. So the UPND is a natural factor in this because we are bringing different people to the areas. It is a complimentary situation. What you must get first and foremost is a government with strength but that has also got integrity in view of the corruption that we have in this country at the moment and the craziness.”

He said he could not join the Rainbow Party because it had no members, hence his decision to support Hichilema’s candidature.

“We have to have something that works. It is no use, for example, joining the Rainbow Party because the Rainbow Party does not have members. Are we going to be talking about Fidel Castro everyday in the newspapers or Cuba? Or Bolivia or Venezuela?” Scott asked.

And Scott said it was nonsensical for members of the PF to charge that he was a finished, old politician who had no political influence left in him.

“They are saying I am aging, who is not aging? Rupiah? Chikwanda? Inonge Wina? Who is not aging among us?

“Let them have a sweep of all the old people, then we can have a political party of people who have Grade Twelve certificates and less than 60 years old and another party of the madalas and under Grade 12s. Which group will have more people?” he asked.

Scott said it was lack of gratitude for the PF to accuse him of not supporting Lungu in the January 2015 elections.

“The last 14 days (before the election), I went to Copperbelt every single day and addressed rallies. I told people that the election was not about politics, I said ‘we are in mourning so let us choose a leader and we can talk politics later’ and they agreed. If they are now telling us that I did not support Lungu, they are liars.

“Let us see their diary of movements over that period of election. What were they doing apart from listening to my phone calls in State House?” asked Scott.

Comments (12)

Words from a bitter man. When he was the President of Zambia he was full of praises for Mugabe. Now that he is out and has been ditched by his party into a nonentity he starts taking a hard stance on Mugabe. If he had said what he is saying today while he was President of Zambia people would he noticed. Why wait until you are nothing for you to start criticising leaders of other countries. This was a man who was singing a different tune, full of praises for Mugabe when he was in power. A poor strategist indeed.

Taurai Nyararai - 4 April 2016

This is the problem with politics of the stomach, no integrity no principles no moral compass. Scott has changed tune, he is now speaking the truth but its too little too late and hence why the mud PF and others are throwing at him sticks. Understandably when he was Vice President or Acting President he might have felt compelled to be diplomatic about the situation across the Zambezi given the history but he was no different from all the Zanu praise singers. In that sense he is no different from the Mujuru, Gumbo, Mutasa cabal. Evil is evil and should be called as such not because you are now outside the circle.

Galore 123 - 4 April 2016

Although I am in agreement with Taurai Nyarai and Galore's comments regarding utterances by a retired acting president of the neighbouring country, in that he would have done better saying all this as an acting president, what I find most gratifying about his outburst on Mugabe is the fact that they give some semblance of hope for the understanding of what is going on in Zimbabwe. Over the years, I have noted, sadly, that Mugabe's propaganda machinery has had some effect of portraying the country as indeed the victim of the West's sanctions. There are pockets of international populations that actually believe Zimbabwe and not Mugabe and a few of his friends, has been slapped with sanctions and that political violence in the country is not necessarily perpetrated by Zanu PF. Voices from noteworthy figures like Mr. Scott will give a new understanding to the unenlightened.

Yeoman Thomas - 4 April 2016

Although I am in agreement with Taurai Nyarai and Galore's comments regarding utterances by a retired acting president of the neighbouring country, in that he would have done better saying all this as an acting president, what I find most gratifying about his outburst on Mugabe is the fact that they give some semblance of hope for the understanding of what is going on in Zimbabwe. Over the years, I have noted, sadly, that Mugabe's propaganda machinery has had some effect of portraying the country as indeed the victim of the West's sanctions. There are pockets of international populations that actually believe Zimbabwe and not Mugabe and a few of his friends, has been slapped with sanctions and that political violence in the country is not necessarily perpetrated by Zanu PF. Voices from noteworthy figures like Mr. Scott will give a new understanding to the unenlightened.

Yeoman Thomas - 4 April 2016

Although I am in agreement with Taurai Nyarai and Galore's comments regarding utterances by a retired acting president of the neighbouring country, in that he would have done better saying all this while in office, what I find most gratifying about his outbursts on Mugabe is the fact that they give some semblance of hope for the understanding of what is going on in Zimbabwe. Over the years, I have noted, sadly, that Mugabe's propaganda machinery has had some effect of portraying the country as indeed the victim of Western sanctions. There are pockets of international populations that actually believe Zimbabwe and not Mugabe and a few of his friends, has been slapped with sanctions and that political violence in the country is not necessarily perpetrated by Zanu PF. Voices from noteworthy figures like Mr. Scott will give a new understanding to the unenlightened. While on visits to neighbouring countries, I have often been queried on why we in Zimbabwe keep on voting Mugabe and Zanu PF if we do not like them. They have non idea about the deep seated nature of intimidation, manipulations, rigging, vote buying, lies, one sided media campaigns, state mass media monopoly by Zanu, beatings and murders at the hands of Zanu PF thugs paid (in beer and drugs) to ensure Zanu PF victory in all elections.

Yeoman Thomas - 4 April 2016

@yeoman thomas,unless you are a tout at mbare you would not understand when we say the country is under sanctions,if you have a business,you will know that zb bank is under sanctions and therefore it cannot process telegraphic transfers because of that,is that sanctions of individuals,if you have a hunting concession like me,you would km now the sector is under sanctions from the americans,if were in tourism you would know some international insurance companies refuse to insure tourist coming to destination zimbabwe,who then bears the brunt?

truth - 4 April 2016

@yeoman; if you are a tout as @ truth think you are, you shld be a knowledgeable one! I was in tanzania and they think we have the best president in Africa without understanding that we flock their ports to collect rejects that we buy from japan! they think rhobhati stands to be counted as a courageous leader simply because he regurgitates George charamba prepared speeches using profane language and shouting obscenities at international fora. not many people out there know the amount of suffering we have at the hands of rhobhati. why blame sanctions alone when everyone in mgt at state & quasi-state entites is earning obscene salaries and the average citizen is either jobless or working without pay?! I think I am a tout too coz I experienced yo view first hand!

SaManyika Chaiye - 4 April 2016

@samanyika chaiye,are you sure yu are a tout?i thought yu worked in a hotel kitchen

truth - 4 April 2016

@truth, lets reason it this way (iam also a tout by the way) if we are to hold everything constant and remove the effects of the sunctions which you have just mentioned , where would our country be in terms of economic development given how the country has been since 1980? From what I gathered, sunctions mybe yes, just a little yes contributed to our present economic misfortunes. The biggest culprit is our leader's inability to manage this economy. If you don't subscribe to this and you are not benefiting from this present chaos, then you are an educated fool. A taut wekumagaba anenge ini is a thousand times better that you.

Soko Chaiye - 4 April 2016

@truth; not really! I noticed that most of yo comments on the forum have a fair amount of vitriol! you speak with so much venom such that the attention of most analysts end up diverted and the discussion lose direction. so to keep the rhythm I tried to speak yo language as I found sense in @yeoman's observation(s). there is an old adage that say; speak to the devil in the language that he understand; that what I'm trying though I am not fluent! You see madam, this forum looks like an opposition panorama where most participants critique the system;thats why @vhiora make comments that personal without spitting bile on everyone who differ with her. Aaah another tout there in @Soko! Opinion seem as if you are in your own world let me cut it here...!

SaManyika Chaiye - 5 April 2016

Thank god Mr Scott you are spot on this thing of a political party winning on tribal and violence grounds does not doany good to the integrity of any country .We have same problem here in zim since 80s zanu had been winning in Mashonaland and now it has become a rural Mashonaland party .The mdc has come and united people from all parts of the country bringing back some hope to country were a party is liked bcoz of tribalism policy . Now in Zambia Hichilema a Tonga is liked by all tribes while Lungu is trying to keep Bemba oppression which had in power for donkey years try to remain doing nothing l for ever which is nonsense of course. Spot on mr Scott.

Diibulaanyika - 5 April 2016

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