Mayor pressured to change street names

BULAWAYO - Mayor Martin Moyo is under pressure from Umhlahlo WeSizwe Sika Mthwakazi to rename some city streets and avenues here to reflect the city’s status as a historical and heritage site.

The cultural lobbyist group raised concerns over Lobengula Street and a variety of other street and school names that are of historical significance to the City of Kings and Queens.

Joel Silonda, the pressure group’s chairperson, told the Daily News that his organisation had requested that Lobengula Street in the city be prefaced with a regal title to King Lobengula Street as should various other streets and schools with proper historical reference as all other places.

“We humbly request that all schools and streets be named with proper historical reference as all other places, for example Queen Elizabeth Primary School as well as the Princess Margaret Clinic and King George — who in this case are foreigners or have colonial reference.”

In a statement, Silonda said his group would like to remind the city fathers that the history of a people is a vital organ of any society’s identity.

“Moreover, Lobengula was not an ordinary man but a king of the Ndebele kingdom, therefore his name cannot be merely inscribed as Lobengula Street.”

Silonda appealed to the city fathers to change Leopold Takawira Avenue to King Mzilikazi Avenue as it is the road that was used by King Mzilikazi to come to Bulawayo from KwaZulu Natal in South Africa.

He also proposed that all monuments, schools, townships and any sites that are named after members of the Khumalo Royal Family and their chiefs and all Mthwakazi heroes and heroines be renamed as such.

Allan Mlalazi, the group’s organising secretary, said the pressure group aimed at reviving the history of the Ndebele and setting the record straight on the Ndebele kingdom and the Ndebele kings and queens.

He said the group wanted the city council to provide it with King Lobengula’s statue which would be placed at Masotsha Ndlovu Avenue and to create a cultural heritage site.

“There’s an open space along First Avenue which is usually used as the Lunar Park on a yearly basis and we want the council to give us that space so as to create our heritage and cultural village as the city of kings,” said Mlalazi.

He added that by so doing, the Ndebele history will be kept alive and be passed to the next generation of the Ndebele descendants.

Gift Banda, the deputy mayor, said the group had every right to make suggestions and it was within their right to have such a view.

“As a council, we have a street naming committee which deals with such proposals from the public,” Banda said.

“As such, similar concerns are handled by the committee first before coming to the full council for discussion.

“We have heard of such proposals but we are waiting for a collective opinion from the committee on the issue,” he said.

Banda said the pressure group was requesting for something that was possible as long as they passed their request through the relevant city council authorities.

 

Comments (70)

may those lunatics be reminded that Bulawayo is not a Ndebele state but a Zimbabwean city whose roads can be named after any notable person

chitova - 11 March 2015

May i remind chitova that Bulawayo never belonged to mashonaland until just before 1923. hey were ruled separately and for him to say his rubbish should serve as an insult to the Ndebeles. There is nothing wrong with what these guys want. Bulawayo was the capital of King Lobengula and the state house in Bulwayo is exactly where King Lobengula s house was.

Jaluo - 11 March 2015

Will people with a Gukurahundi and 1979 ZANU PF Grand Plan mentality please stay out of this discussion. KwaBulawayo is the historical seat of the Mthwakazi Kingdom. No Mafikizolos should come here and tell us nonsense. All over the world, towns and cities have unique historical backgrounds that are still being recognised and respected to day - therefore there is nothing untoward about Bulawayo doing the same. Harare has its own history that reflects Shona history in most cases - nobody in Matebeleland has ever had any problem with this. In fact, I have never heard anyone from Matland criticising this. What then is exactly wrong with people like Chitova and many other Shonas of his ilk? Why cant these people live the people of Matabeleland alone? Is it a deep seated inferiority complex that worries them? No Ndebele person ever interferes in what happens in Shona provinces - but as for most Shonas - they will never leave Matland alone. You find someone coming all the way from Mt Darwin (so far away, almost close to Malawi) to invade a farm in Esigodini or Nyamayendlovu - what is wrong with these people?

Phunyukabemphethe - 11 March 2015

Mr Chitova your comments are mischievous and ought to be withdrawn. I am a shona and will give credit were its due. Your comments are tribalistic and as such a threat to a people driven and a democratic new zimbabwe which we are all advocating for. The Ndebeles are part of Zimbabwe but them being a minority does not warrant them voiceless. Chitova usadaro.

ronzo - 11 March 2015

Phunyukabampethe. Inkinga yinye mhlekazi lesilwanyana ngokungu mbuthelelo uyise yinyoka.

Gudl'indlu - 11 March 2015

I find it really strange that in the middle of all the suffering that Zimbabweans are experiencing some people have the time to bother themselves and everyone else with street names. What is in a name, really? Will this change the price of butter for the better? Even the reasoning behind the suggestion is ridiculous...Are we then going to change the names of those of us with English names to local names as well? Those names that were given to schools such as Queen Elizabeth are also part of our history. I think we need to be more serious and deal with more pressing issues. People don't eat names!!

Sebele - 11 March 2015

Chitova, what the Bulawayo guys are saying makes a lot of sense. I agree with you though when you say that Byo isnt a Ndebele State BUT can Lobengula Street be named CHITOVA STREET or CHINOTIMBA STREET? There you are , the answer is obvious, isnt it? The lobby group is just trying to make good some of the historical injustices perpetrated by the Smith regime. This what our dear leader has done on the land issue, correct?

H. CHIWAURA - 11 March 2015

Bulawayo industries are dying and business is grinding to a standstill yet the people from Bulawayo are busy clamoring for street names. That's being petty and shallow minded.

Knox - 11 March 2015

Level headed response from Gift Banda, the deputy mayor of Bulawayo "the group had every right to make suggestions and it was within their right to have such a view. As a council, we have a street naming committee which deals with such proposals from the public...as such, similar concerns are handled by the committee first before coming to the full council for discussion...we have heard of such proposals but we are waiting for a collective opinion from the committee on the issue." Unelected and unelectable people like Chitova can learn a lot from him.

Galore 123 - 11 March 2015

Why some fools can easily go out o topic like that . Who is talking of a state here ? I am not Ndebele but i know the ndebeles are the majority in Bulawayo and whatever they do there must be respected .Please do not be jealous do the same in mashonaland revive the places belonged to kings simply as that . Same as me I would even advocate for changes of some kubu Tonga names like chiurundu to chilundu kariba to kaliba and so for the reason of putting history straight and that makes sense . We must get away with the thought that every decision made in this country must be made by shonas bcoz you must know that shonas are not majority throughout there are areas where they are minority ,the same with ndebeles they are not areas they are minority in mat in those areas the majority can make decisions without anyone interfering . in this case late the ndebeles do as they like they are the majority in BYO .

Diibulaanyika - 11 March 2015

Over our dead bodies!!!!!!

Tsikwela - 11 March 2015

We salute you guys put history straight your brothers run the city they will listen to your reasoning never worry about some negative elements they never even stay in the city but they want to interfere .

Diibulaanyika - 11 March 2015

@Tsikwela that will be the best thing to happen if you all can die and then we will implement our program without outsiders trying to stop us .

Siginya mbila - 11 March 2015

In English, they say variety is the spice of life. All cities have a unique history and they should be encouraged to retain it. Masvingo/Fort Victoria is one such city. We all know that it is historically a Karanga City - why begrudge them of that. It is actually a tourism selling point and lets keep it that way. I find it funny that when tourists visit Zim and are keen to visit historical places of the Ndebele people and pay thousands and thousands of US dollars for this; buying artefacts and pictures, drawings and the like. When this money comes in - many of these tribalistic Shona Gukurahundis talking nonsense here never shout that "No we don't want that money; because its about the Ndebele!!!". They gladly partake in enjoying the foreign currency. What a funny lot!!

Phunyukabemphethe - 11 March 2015

The problem with Bulawayo colleagues is preoccupation with utopian conspiracies. Do they realise that before Mzilikazi settled in Bulawayo, there were people already living there? Where are their names in Bulawayo streets? Have these people complained? But the current Bulawayo guys are just after themselves. Being Bulawayo or Harare or Masvingo is very irrelevant to one's life. Whether Great Zim University is named Mhlahlandlela University is irrelevant to quality of degrees chained out. My mother is Ndebele, my wife is Suthu (Gwanda), I am shona - we are all Zim people in control of our quality of life. Being Bulawayo or Masvingo matters only to intellectual bankrupt people. You then blame others for your incompetence. If Zimbabwe is named Mthwakazi, will that bring investment in the country, will that bring political civilisation? But someone in Byo thinks life will be better if certain names are given to certain areas. Do you people really know why you were born? Do you have a purpose in life or you just exist for identification? I stay in Mandara and my neighbour is a prosperous person of Byo origin. To those who cherish a place known as Byo, please form committes that enable you to have Ndebele speaking trained teachers in schools so that your grade 1 kids learn better rather than wasting time on names. Focus on standard of life . You are my uncles I respect you, kodwa lingaqubeki lisaba isiduli esile umlindi owangeni inyoka kudala lomnyaka wenthethe. Okwendawo akusela lutho. Umama wami ule Pulazi eMasvingo elikhulu ukhudhula abanye bonke noma my father passed away long back.

Danai Pazvagozha - 11 March 2015

street ngainzi madzviti and not Takawira

chatsva - 11 March 2015

I dont think there is much to talk about rational issues.Byo is not for the Ndebeles alone as much as Hre or any other province do not belong to the Shona,the Kalanga or Tonga but to Zimbabweans.Now aspects of historical consideration that has to be of all for our common good and not for the benefit of a certain group of people.if the Ndebele feel historically where King Mzilikazi street is wrongly placed as much as King Lobengula it should be done.If it has to be the case then we can move in the right direction as one people and a nation irrespective of our tribe,race,colour,creed among other attributes.Renaming a street i think shouldnt be an issue to create a media event but that has to be clearly substantianted.That has its legal and cost aspects to be considered

carson macate - 11 March 2015

'Silonda appealed to the city fathers to change Leopold Takawira Avenue to King Mzilikazi Avenue as it is the road that was used by King Mzilikazi to come to Bulawayo from KwaZulu Natal in South Africa'.What's that? Leopold Takawira is the best name for that street, ok. You wld rather change, Grey Prison, 1st, 2nd, 3rd Streets etc Bulawayo is a Shona kingdom for own info lest you forget imi maroja.

Bonjisi Bhurawayo - 11 March 2015

'…is the road that was used by King Mzilikazi to come to Bulawayo from KwaZulu Natal in South Africa' So GO back to South Africa and get your names named on the streets in Durban and Pietermaritzburg not on this Shona , Kalangas, Nambya, or Tonga Kingdoms. At least you know u came from South ndokwenyu ikoko mbavha dzemombe.

Bonjisi jnr - 11 March 2015

@Mbonjisi why not tell Mugabe to go back to Malawi ? And what you must know whether you like it or not the ndebeles will be in this country for another 10000 years so only a fool like you will waste time talking shiite here .I guess you are not even a zimbabwean like your president .Recently we heard the govt was planning to build another capital city in mashonaland but we never heard people from mat say complaing and that to you means they are fools . Stick to your new capital city and people of BYO will stick to changing names in their city to correct their history which is not expensive as building a new capital . Pliz go back to Moza where you originate you are not zimbabwean .

Diibulaanyika - 11 March 2015

He-e-e we are educated, we have the highest literacy rate in Africa what what and yet you cant read a simple newspaper article @ Danai, Knox, Sebele et al. Umhlahlo WeSizwe Sika Mthwakazi is a pressure group pursuing their Raison d'être. @ Tsikwela your problem is you have delusions of grandeur. Remember life didnt begin in 1980.

Black Diamond - 11 March 2015

Dear brethren of beloved Zimbabwe. It is good to notice that there are progressive people in our society who see clearly of issues tabled in public. Why would we almost always have argumentative stances wherever there is an issue some of which dont need arguements? Shouldnt we talk about other issues though there are other issues of concern in the country, refering to utterances by fellow countryman like "Knox"? Dont we talk about soccer but there are pending economic etc issues in the country? Dear brethren it is good that we continue living in harmony as we are by nature without undue arguements but a clear, unbiased, not preconceived views of issues. It is a good move this group suggest given they have a clear, unbiased motive. Problem sometimes is we get fellows who have a tribalistic bias that end up distorting rather brilliant, noble ideas. How nice we have a country so diverse in culture and history, diverse in ethnicity yet with peace surpassing all understanding. Its good we have such ideas brought to fruition not only in Bulawayo but all other parts of the country. Sure variety is spice of life. Imagine everyone was just like you: there will not be musicizns for some of us, spirtsman,

ZvinebasaHere - 11 March 2015

sportsman, actors etc. So we should embrace diversity in all its beauty. Do you think the Creator made a mistake to make us all different, diverse as we are as individuals? A tribe is in a nutshell descendents of certain individuals at a certain era in history. Just like you and your neighbors family; you can ifferentiate yourself in a few aspects, msintain that difference for a systainable period and voila yiu have a tribe. Even though you be from one current tribe. Even your own brothers or sisters can be another tribe as well if your apply above function over time. So there is nothing wrong being of a different tribe. No need to argue. But embrace that diversity.

ZvinebasaHere - 11 March 2015

So when Mzilikazi came from SA was Bulawayo empty, bereft of any people? So those people that were there before Mzilikazi came do not matter. History does not start at the point when King Mzilikazi entered Zim. Please tell us, who was there before Mzilikazi arrived? This too is part of history - no selective amnesia please. What names should be given to the roads used by Mzilikazi's people when they were coming from Mashonaland after looting cows and women? Maybe we should call it: Kudyazvemarema Road. It is said that on their way they also raped these women. So I suggest we name the road: Rape the Weak Road. This surely should remind us of the good old Mzilikazi.

Pambili - 11 March 2015

@ Danai Pazvagozha - I suspect you are a troll, somebody who comes up with such incoherent diatribe…why did Southern Rhodesia change to Rhodesia & then to Zimbabwe and Salisbury to Harare if names don't matter? Why do you have the surname that you have if names don't matter? Why did the slave masters change the slaves names and deny them use of their language etc if all these things don't matter? If your mother is “Ndebele” and wife “Sotho” as you claim then they have done you a great disservice by leaving you ignorant & wishy washy. The powers that be in Bulawayo as elected by the people in Bulawayo have said this group is within their rights to make such a request. If submitted it will be deliberated by the appointed committee and then a resolution passed etc. That is what localism is all about. You sitting in Mandara (assuming you actually live there) now want to pass judgement on how a local issue to Bulawayo not even Matebelaland but to Bulawayo has merit or not. I get amused by people of your ilk who want to pretend as if they are so sophisticated and tolerant and the only voice that should be listened to and yet they are mere “bambazonke.” Why tramp on other people's rights of self determination? Zimbabwe's economy is in taters and it is a testament of the sheer incompetence & bankruptcy of ideas of all those who think like you.

Black Diamond - 11 March 2015

@ Pambili - Umhlahlo WeSizwe Sika Mthwakazi is there to advance what their name suggests. It is not for them to organise and advance the cause of other people real or imagined. These people who you want to claim were there before its up to them to stand up and be counted if they have concerns etc. Since you feel strongly about them you can start by naming who they are and their lineage. Can you see MDC or ZAPU or any political party sitting down to strategise on how to advance the cause of Zanu and vice versa or Bosso or Kepepe advancing the cause of Dembare...does that make sense to you? Dude, have you ever seen the women in Matland? Do you think the majority are products of Northern blood (read zezuru)? If by your flawed reasoning, assume indeed the Mthwakazi kingdom as it was then was populated by "shona" women then those people who inhabit that space have every entitlement. FYI Mzilikazi and Nkulumane before him set up home in Transvaal growing their group before sojouring through Botswana assimilating a lot of Sotho, Tswana, Kalanga, Lozwi etc people in the process. Were the San people consulted when you named Rhodesia Zimbabwe? As for cattle do you know there is a difference between Nguni breed of cattle and the hard mashona type?

Black Diamond - 11 March 2015

@Black Diamond – you misunderstood me, but then why should I blame you. So basically the vanquished and the voiceless have no role in Bulawayo. Only the needs and aspirations of the vocal must be taken into account. If renaming of streets is an attempt to properly reflect the history it should take into account ALL HISTORY. And all history means the time before and after the arrival of Mzilikazi, the time before and after Mugabe's evil Gukurahundi (what he termed a moment of madness), etc, etc. Ndini Hangu Uyo!!

Pamili - 11 March 2015

@ Balck Diamond (I continue), Indeed some streets must reflect the good we had in our country but the bad epochs in our history should NOT be pushed aside simply because a certain pressure group is not happy with that period. If we fail to objectively do this, then I am afraid we will have to do the renaming exercise every time a new powerful group emerges. If no pressure group speaks for the Gukurahundi victims should we therefore ignore that history – by not naming streets in their honour – simply because nobody speaks on their behalf? What a warped reasoning camouflaged in heavy distortion of history, suggesting that somebody either forgot to put one's thinking cap or one does not have it altogether. Hence the spewing of vitriol that helps nobody but inform us of the extent of ignorance in our midst. A lot happened before Mzilikazi came to Bulawayo – that too is history and should be reflected and recorded accordingly. When Mzilikazi and company arrived they did what they did. That too should be reflected, it is history. When Rhodes and company came to Zimbabwe they too did what they did. That too, my friend, is history. When the “Moment of Madness came” and Mugabe and company killed innocent souls during Gukurahundi that too is history and should not be set aside just to satisfy the needs and aspirations of a pressure group. In other words, what I am saying is the bright and dark periods in our history deserve equal attention. The good tells us what we should aspire to do. The bad history should tell us that we should never go back to that epoch.

Pambili - 11 March 2015

@Black Diamond (I continue). Our children benefit more from this than a warped view that suggests that only the views of a pressure group matters. It should not be the case that our history and how we remember it is driven by the vocal only. It should never be the case that the voiceless, the conquered and the vanquished are ignored simply because they do not shout as loud. Thank God today's democracy is gradually moving away from majoritarianism to a system tat takes into account even the wishes and aspiration of the minority. Indeed my question in all this is “How would Father Zimbabwe – if he was still alive – have solved this?” Ndini hangu uyo!!

Pambili - 11 March 2015

Phunyukabemphethe you are no different from Chitova, a tribalist. Based on one man's comment you go on attack all shonas.

Muramba Tsvina - 12 March 2015

Masvingo. Matabeleland had less than 5%. Hitherto, I did not fathom the reason for this. But now it's clear - they spent time in groups (at beer gardens) discussing names, kkkkk, whilst in desperation, a shona qualified teacher is employed by regional office to teach grade 1 Ndebele kids. Talk about beer gardens, each suburb has at least 5, with appropriate names - yes: Gibixegu, Madhlodhlo, Sidudhla etc. Every kilometer there is a beer garden. Go to Masvingo, we have Nyoni mountains bordering Lake Mutirikwi and we do not mind that its Ndebele name. We are busy building schools every 5 km. This is how we are able to flood NUST on merit. (Makhurane ended up using affirmative action for Byo candidates due to their gross incompetence – It didn't work). Come even to Harare, and also there in Byo, most CEOs are from our region. For you Byo, and your fake Black Diamonds, your brains are impervious to advice and civilisation. You only think wars and hate. Our erudite kids might assist you with a PHD dissertation to establish what went wrong on you during the process of civilisation. But as of now, we leave you & your kins feeding crocodiles in Limpopo as you border-jump to be slaves in RSA. I used to think year 2000 was far enough for you to disabuse and divest yourself from war-mongering mentality so evident in the tone of your writings. Some of us change company cars every year, eat what we want, live where we want – because we are masters of Finance, Financial management, Financial Engineering, Economics, Strategy, whilst a rugged Black diamond dreamers sit under a tree, bare-footed discussing roads to name King Lobengula. Lets just pray and hope against hope – for them. I rest my case.

Danai Pazvagozha - 12 March 2015

I have now discovered why Byo is so backward, and a ghost town. We have people on whom civilisation didn't do a perfect job. None other than Black Diamond is an epitome such incorrigible ignorance. Where were you in 1998 when some of us were at NUST (I guess you are even bothered by this name NUST). Prof Makhurane lamented that over 60% of the students at NUST were from Masvingo. Matabeleland had less than 5%. Hitherto, I did not fathom the reason for this. But now it's clear - they spent time in groups (at beer gardens) discussing names, kkkkk, whilst in desperation, a shona qualified teacher is employed by regional office to teach grade 1 Ndebele kids. Talk about beer gardens, each suburb has at least 5, with appropriate names - yes: Gibixegu, Madhlodhlo, Sidudhla etc. Every kilometer there is a beer garden. Go to Masvingo, we have Nyoni mountains bordering Lake Mutirikwi and we do not mind that its Ndebele name. We are busy building schools every 5 km. This is how we are able to flood NUST on merit. (Makhurane ended up using affirmative action for Byo candidates due to their gross incompetence – It didn't work). Come even to Harare, and also there in Byo, most CEOs are from our region. For you Byo, and your fake Black Diamonds, your brains are impervious to advice and civilisation. You only think wars and hate. Our erudite kids might assist you with a PHD dissertation to establish what went wrong on you during the process of civilisation. But as of now, we leave you & your kins feeding crocodiles in Limpopo as you border-jump to be slaves in RSA. I used to think year 2000 was far enough for you to disabuse and divest yourself from war-mongering mentality so evident in the tone of your writings.

Danai Pazvagozha - 12 March 2015

Some of us change company cars every year, eat what we want, live where we want – because we are masters of Finance, Financial management, Financial Engineering, Economics, Strategy, whilst a rugged Black diamond dreamers sit under a tree, bare-footed discussing roads to name King Lobengula. Lets just pray and hope against hope – for them. I rest my case.

Danai Pazvagozha - 12 March 2015

Whilst I acknowledge that there are many reasonable Shona people out there who want to live in peace with all other communities in Zim and never begrudge others of what they have. There are those who have been so heavily indoctrinated with ZANU PF tribalistic political ideology so much such that even if, as they fight ZANU PF from the pedestal of the opposition MDC-T; nothing in this world will ever change their ZANU PF acquired anti-Ndebele tribalistic views and attitudes. It pains them a lot to see Ndebele people just being themselves; celebrating their cultures, languages and who they are. As to what really bothers them - no one ever explains. Most Shonas are very intolerant of other tribes or language groups. The most central and problematic issue is that Shonas generally want to control everything and everyone. Like ZANU PF, they don't accept diversity. Generally, Zimbabwe has five provinces namely Matebeleland; Midlands; Mashonaland; Masvingo; and Manicaland. In all the four provinces, Shonas are dominant. It is only in just one province, Matebeleland where you find isiNdebele dominant and Shona a minority. This is 4 provinces vs 1 province; a ratio of about 99.99% Shona provinces vs 0.01% Mthwakazi province - but alas, for Shonas, the 4 provinces where they are dominant are simply not enough. They like using history as an argument; only where it suits them. I mean; if you say the people of Bulawayo should not name their streets in the manner they propose because there were people in that region before King Mzilikazi came; it could be equally argued that, the names Zimbabwe, Harare, Marondera etc are inappropriate because there were Khoisan people in this region, before the Bantu migration to the South. So why do Shonas pick and choose history only where it suits them? Many Shonas talk as if they just dropped from the heavens above onto this place called Zimbabwe, finding no one in occupation.

Phunyukabemphethe - 12 March 2015

Surely we cant be bothered by street names,those people should look for better things to to,weither said by a shona or ndebele its jus not reasonable

HARARE - 12 March 2015

Education in Matebeleland was never a problem until ZANU PF came to power after 1980. So those people who claim Mtland people don't go to school hence the shortage of Ndebele speaking teachers should just go back to the Rhodesian days of the Matebeleland region. Its quiet clear that most people commenting here, who say this nonsensical ignorance were brought up under ZANU PF rule. This is why most of their tribalistic comments are exactly the same comments you here from Mugabe and many ZANU PF supporters. The ignorance about Matland is appalling to say the least!

Phunyukabemphethe - 12 March 2015

So, if names mean nothing; if we shouldn't be bothered by names - why not just revert back to the name Rhodesia then. That is the historical name of the country after all; from the time the borders were drawn by Europeans and we became a modern nation state. We are all Rhodesians - FACT!

Phunyukabemphethe - 12 March 2015

There is only one advice I can give to Zim; if they want progress - STOP INTERFERING IN EACH OTHERS' SPACE. South Africans have made a success of their country to date because of this fundamental principle. A new Airport was built in KwaZulu Natal recently and was named King Shaka International Airport. Not even one South African from any corner of the country complained. They all do the same in their own home provinces - its never a problem. Why is this a problem in Zim among mainly amaShona?

Phunyukabemphethe - 12 March 2015

I am mind boggled that while milions of people are scraping a living people like Silonda waste their time & efforts with name changes -really!!! He would probably make a good minister in Mugabe's cabinet.

saundy - 12 March 2015

Phunyuka, kkkkkkkk, we are not intefeering at all. We are trying to rescue you to rise above ignorence and be better people with better standrads of living. We don't to see your children feeding corocodiles of limpopo when they fail and become border jumpers. Just to display your unreasonable capacity, you still cherish Rhodesia, and think those days will come back so that your kids pass. Kkkkkkk. what is really wrong with you people. We do not care whether the country is named Rhodesia or Mthwakazi. For your own information, I attended 'A' Level at Mpopoma High Shcool when Hamilton Sibanda was the Headmaster. So how come we pass where your people fail, and you blame ZANUPF. I thought you would say ZIMSEC must introduce war studies and your people will come out with flying colours. I would have agreed. As long as you wear hate attitudes, you will remain in abject penury.

Danai Pazvagozha - 12 March 2015

I have always maintained that Zimbabwe is tribal tinder box and Shonas have a stinking superiority complex.I call it stinking because they have the pride to boost that the majority of companies in Bulawayo are run by Shonas yet they forget that those Shonas who are running these companies are selected on tribal basis. Morestll those Shonas in Bulawayo have turned the City to a White elephant buy unethical practices.It is stinking because the Shona claim to be educated yet all their institutions have collapsed.

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morkal - 12 March 2015

I continue the majority of people who identify as Shona today are of Malawi , Zambian and Mozambiquen immigrants who have less that 2 genarations in Zimbabwe and they are the ones who claim victim and say Mzilikazi raped their mothers and stole their cattle.You have no idea what you are talking about King Mzilikazi loaned many Karanga Chiefs his personal cattle and they paid fine after being convicted of theft.The Ndebele have always been cattle people , there is sketchy history of the Shona and the cattle.Today you say the Ndebele are doing menial jobs in South Africa yet the Shona are homeless and beggars

Vusisizwe - 12 March 2015

@Danai Pazvagozha. You are not my age that is why your views are clearly Gukurahundi ZANU PF influenced. This is why you talk of Hamilton Sibanda. I was brought up under Ian Smith, not under Gukurahundi Mugabe. Had you been brought up in Rhodesia you wouldn't be writing all the tribalistic rubbish about the Ndebele failing and border jumping. All this is stuff brought to Zim by Mugabe's tribalism, which was fed to you as you grew up. It was not there during our days. Our Matland schools had outstanding passes rates and a lot of students were found at Fletcher High. You talk as if Shonas are not crossing the Limpopo to SA, yet they are the majority of all Zimbabweans here - your tribalism is driving you crazy. You are too young and ignorant. Go jump into the next river and wash off your Mugabe tribalism. You will be a better person henceforth!!

Phunyukabemphethe - 12 March 2015

KEEP THEM CRAZY DIATRIBES COMING!!!!! i think what this article has managed to achieve, is the fact that mandhevere and masvina are no different when it comes to spawning opinionated individuals. but nyaya iripo ndeyekuti dealing with issues without compartmentalizing them in their appropriate contexts is always going to bring out the asses in both sides of the argument. Qhubekani lihululelana izibhongombiya zamazwi sengathi kulokukhanyayo okuzaphuma khonalapha, its great entertainment value, like a curtain raiser to ChiKristu ne Tsika. Keep the ravings coming tinakirwe zvedu isu takamirira kuti nguva dzikwane tiende kumba!!!

VIPsection - 12 March 2015

When Chombo says he is building another capital city in Masland no problem but when a mere pressure group suggests to correct history by changing a few names in the city aah that is expensive and its bad and must be approved by non inhabitants of this province . You see these are the same people who had been derailing the zambezi water project which could boost the economy of the country . Amawala is not being clever and that is what destroyed our country bcoz they think education was brought by their forefathers here .Why can ;t some people stay away from issues that you know nothing about and that will make you a clever person or even copy if you can not stay away better that way .Some idiots even went as far as saying Byo is backward i wonder when did the last visit Harare the city is decaying that is why it always record highest number of cholera cases people drink water from shallow wells right in Harare what is that shame mani . The whole country is dead .Nowadays there are no majority and minority thing only fools still use those terms. see what is happening in Rwanda . Anembo akujatana inyaka eyii njiiyesu tonse .

Diibulaanyika - 12 March 2015

Okay, okay, you guys, please stop shouting at each other! There are good points raised here, so everyone should give space to the next poster and try to hold the arrogance in check. Reading through these comments, I am struck by two issues: (1) Most Shonas cannot spell Matabeleland correctly. They spell it as "Matebeleland". I am always correcting the guys I work with on this issue, but it doesn't seem to stick, though they will raise cain if you misspell any of their place names. (2) One poster made a very good and relevant suggestion. South Africa has many different people, who co-exist because they do not get in each other's faces. They build airports, construct schools or hospitals and name them in ways to honour their cultures. What would be wrong with us doing that? We cannot always name roads in different cities after one man. It would be confusing. I say let the Ndebele people rename their roads. It doesn't hurt anyone except Shonas who have a power complex.

clearsighted - 12 March 2015

@ clearsighted 'Matabele' or 'Matebele? 'Matabele' meaning what exactly? The name 'Matebele' is of Setswana origin being derived from 'Ritebele' for 'cowhide' These were known as people with 'cowhide shields' or 'Ritebele' people when they crossed through Setswana territories around 1830s. So since this forum is talking about restoring proper history, I suggest the spelling has nothing to do with who spells but what the name should be according to history. Otherwise an intervening variant historical reference of the same name is 'Matabili' -the colonial bastardisation from which you appear to draw authority by substituting the 'i's with 'e's.

sniper - 13 March 2015

history should be preserved its very important to remember heroes like King Lobengula. However there are no ndebeles in Bulawayo only a few less than 100 000 i will say the rest are kalangas and what about the kalanga heroes like Joshua Nkomo by the way he was not ndebele but kalanga as was the mojority of zapu members . its time the kalanga`s are respected for what they have done for the country rather than be ostracised from important decisions when they are a very important part of zimbabwe , its unfortunate a lot of people who speak ndebele (its actually a zulu dialect not ndebele the real ndebele is spoken in south africa and it unlike zulu by far) are mistakenly raised as ndebeles when they are mainly kalangas

Harare - 13 March 2015

@ Pambili or pamili or whatever - Ignoring your pre-pubescent attempt at throwing insults instead of debating the issue, I get your point albeit poorly made. I agree history of any people has to be objective, detailing successes and warts and all. However the point still remains this pressure group is speaking and rightly so for its own narrow interest, it is not for them to promote other cultures or DFI or lobby for tax breaks for new companies etc. That is not their mandate. RSPCA for example is concerned with the welfare of animals & will source funds to rescue animals, restore them to health and find a new home for them etc. In the mean time there are human beings sleeping rough on the streets, who can't get a nutritional meal or a meal period let alone medical attention etc. In your view RSPCA should priorities the homeless etc. That is not what they are there for. Bulawayo City Council on the other hand represents everyone who lives there & is tasked with balancing all the different & sometimes competing interests and then coming up with outcomes that will deliver for all its stakeholders, minority or majority, big voice or small voice, rich or poor. In this case the City Council's “street naming committee” will then sit down and weigh in all these things through the lens of objectivity and value for tax/rate payers and recommend to the elected officials what the way ahead is. What is so hard to understand about that?

Black Diamond - 13 March 2015

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