Gukurahundi haunts Mugabe's Zanu PF

HARARE - The Gukurahundi mass murders of the early 1980s in Matabeleland and the Midlands continue to haunt President Robert Mugabe and Zanu PF, with human rights activists and leading political figures raising fresh questions yesterday about whether the killings will ever be properly investigated and dealt with by the government.

The much-condemned killings are a very sensitive matter within Zanu PF, with Mugabe once describing the murders of an estimated 20 000 innocent civilians in the western parts of Zimbabwe, allegedly by the North Korean-trained 5th Brigade, as “a moment of madness”.

Analysts and opposition politicians told the Daily News on Sunday yesterday that the matter was so sensitive that it not only remained like “an albatross around the political legacy of Mugabe”, but it also threatened to destroy the political careers of his two newly-appointed party and State deputies, Emmerson Mnangagwa and Phelekezela Mphoko.

And clearly alive to the difficulties associated with Gukurahundi, prominent State media columnist Manheru, widely believed to be Mugabe’s spokesman George Charamba, attempted to lance the cancerous boil that the mass murders have become in his column yesterday — but in reality only managed to inflame emotions.

“A key handicapping taboo has been the whole issue of political disturbances which affected some parts of Matabeleland and Midlands in the early eighties, disturbances which dragged on until the 1987 Unity Accord which cured them.

“I have tackled this subject before, challenging those who consider themselves owners of the whole discourse on the so-called Gukurahundi, to come forward and debate the matter openly, candidly, using national platforms.

“Let’s admit it, Gukurahundi has become an investment of unfailing dividend, or so some think. It is owned.

“But they have all recoiled, slinking away in loud silence which is the exact opposite of golden. And when all is quiet, they rally back, steal forward all to pelt one or two officials they deem most guilty on the matter, most vulnerable at the time.

“As has just been done by Dumiso

Dabengwa, to the new Vice President Mphoko. As is beginning to happen to ED, the other new Vice President who is being challenged to explain his role in that sad chapter of our history,” Manheru wrote controversially in the Saturday edition of The Herald.

During the massacres, Mnangagwa was the minister of State Security, while critics of Mphoko allege that he was a Central Intelligence Organisation (CIO) operative, who had allegedly deserted Zapu during the struggle.

The only comment that Mnangagwa has made on the massacres, at least in public, was in 2011 when he told State media that the issue was a “closed chapter”.

On his part, Mphoko has alleged that the killings were a result of a political conspiracy spun by apartheid South Africa and the West.

But victims and relatives of the Gukurahundi atrocities — many of whom still bear the scars of the horror — yearn for the truth behind the atrocities as well as closure.

However, observers and politicians, particularly those from the affected regions, say the make-up of the country’s current presidency meant that such wishes were highly unlikely.

Moses Mzila Ndlovu, a war veteran and former co-minister of National Healing, Reconciliation and Integration during the inclusive government, said the composition of the presidency meant that the Gukurahundi phase was now a closed chapter for real, as Mnangagwa had said in 2011.

“I do not know about Mphoko’s involvement in the cataclysmic genocide but the fact that he was a member of the CIO means he will always be a member of the intelligence.

“I view the appointment as a declaration to the people of this region who had relatives killed during the genocide that this is a closed chapter.

“Secondly, I see this deployment as a slap in the face of Matabeleland people who suffered during Gukurahundi. What Zanu PF is saying is that you can go hang with your Gukurahundi complaints because the same people are walking on dead bodies to get to the presidium,” Mzila said.

He charged that those implicated in the unresolved issues were unlikely to ever deliver justice.

“Putting people like Mnangagwa is the greatest insult to us. Zanu PF is against justice, reconciliation, national healing and national integration. The appointment of Mphoko is a window dressing gimmick meant to hoodwink people. We want people who partook in the Gukurahundi to be punished and can Mphoko or Mnangagwa punish themselves?

“This is a wake-up call to the people of Matabeleland that Zanu PF is not remorseful of the genocide and to them Gukurahundi is a closed chapter,” Mzila said.

According to the Dumiso Dabengwa-led Zapu, the conclusion that the Gukurahundi killings were a closed chapter, basing this on the Unity Accord signed by the late revered Zapu leader Joshua Nkomo and Mugabe’s Zanu PF, was wishful thinking. Zapu argues that Nkomo signed the Unity Accord of 1987 with Zanu PF to stop more killings of innocent civilians, as the 5th Brigade was allegedly hellbent on decimating the whole Matabeleland and Midlands regions.

Dabengwa’s Zapu, which pulled out of the Unity Accord in 2008, in protest against the political goings-on within Zanu PF, also argues that Nkomo signed the peace pact on behalf of PF-Zapu, and never on behalf of the Ndebele people. Witnesses also say that most of the people killed, maimed, raped and tortured during Gukurahundi were never members of Zapu, but were targeted simply because of their ethnicity.

Human Rights Watch (HRW) has also warned that the current composition of Mugabe’s Cabinet spells doom for human rights in the country.

Dewa Mavhinga, a senior researcher with HRW, said the brutal killings of civilians in the early 1980s stuck out like “a sore thumb”, with those in government “guilty by either participation or association”.

“Anyone serving in the presidium has collective government accountability for Gukurahundi unless they openly condemn Gukurahundi and refuse to serve under a government with blood on its hands.

“The Gukurahundi massacres resulted in serious human rights abuses including the killings of thousands of Ndebele people over several years in the 1980s.

“These State-sanctioned abuses that were committed by the 5th Brigade involved State collusion and collaboration at various government levels, putting Mugabe and Mnangagwa under pressure to bring a close to this sad period of our history.

“There has been no accountability for the heinous Gukurahundi abuses and no justice for the victims and therefore the Gukurahundi issue is not closed until there is justice and accountability,” Mavhinga said.

Maxwell Saungweme, a Harare-based political analyst, added that the presidency was tainted by a past that could not be wished away.

“We are in a fix as a nation and the team in the presidency does not bode well for human rights and the country’s soiled human rights record.

“Mnangagwa did try as Justice minister not to sign death warrants for prisoners on death roll, but that cannot right his (allegedly) tainted past.

“Zanu PF is itself a very violent party with a president who publicly claimed to hold degrees in violence. Such a party with people with blood on their hands is not good for human rights.

“You cannot expect our human rights record to improve with such people,” Saungwema said.

Comments (67)

I HONESTLY THINK THE GUKURAHUNDI SHOULD BE JUST CLOSED.PEOPLE SHOULD MOVE ON.IF PEOPLE TALK OF COMPENSATION,WHO IS GOING TO COMPENSATE THE KARANGAS FOR THEIR CATTLE TAKEN BY LOBENGULA,THEIR BEAUTIFUL WOMEN,THEIR YOUNG MEN (AMAJAHAS) TAKEN TO BE WARRIORS,THEIR OLD MEN KILLED IN COLD BLOOD BECOZ THEIR CRIME WAS THEY WERE TOOL OLD AS SO THEY WERE UKUDHLA KOMUKHONTO( FOOD FOR THE SPEARS).WHO WILL COMPENSATE THE KARANGAS.IF GUKURAHUNDI VICTIMS MUST BE COMPENSATED THEN THE SHONAS MUST BE COMPENSATED FOR THE WAR OF MADZVITI

mwanawevhu - 28 December 2014

When the Lancaster House agreement was signed and eventually led to elections that ushered in independent Zimbabwe, one of the pillars of that document was national reconciliation because a lot of blood had been spilled during the war. From then on it was the expectation of every Zimbabwean that there would be lasting peace. There is therefore no excuse for any leader to have ordered the killing of innocent civilians. We therefore need full disclosure of what transpired during the Gukurahundi period- the Chihambakwe report should be made public as a start. We cannot have a truth and reconciliation commission as in the case of SA; these atrocities were committed AFTER INDEPENDENCE- after Mugabe took oath to protect every citizen in this land. This was genocide and Mugabe and his colleagues should be put on trial even after death. No nation should ever allow such despicable atrocities to go unpunished.

Zvichapera - 28 December 2014

I do not agree with Gukurahundi but its was just like a wartime reality,the country wasnt in peace as we say today as part of Zim was in war imean Matebeland and part of Midlands because of the menacing dissidents.Now what transpired was an action taken out of desperation by the government to quell all the instability.like wartime Smith killed a lot of people in refugee camps in Zambia,Mozambique but we understood it at the advert of independence that it was wartime.After the unity accord in 1987 did we have some similar thing like the Gukurahundi?It means all was to let bygones be bygones and move forward as one people and one nation.Now talking about the past would not help us anything or even bring back the lives of our compatriots who perished in that operation be it others were real dissidents or not

carson Macate - 28 December 2014

i agrre with you carson macate,let bygones be bygones.it was a war situation.if there is compensation,i will also need compensation for the cattle,and people taken by lobengula during his time.

cheyameni - 28 December 2014

Let me start by stating that I am not Ndebele or Shona, to cast away aspersions that are associated with this matter. I am Khalanga, ndi Nkalanga, an indigenous Zimbabwean born of a Sotho (Zimbabwean Sotho) mother and Bulilima (Khalanga) father. Since I was born I have never seen a single dissident, but have seen thousands of red beretted 5th Brigaders. They killed my relatives, neighbours and villagers, in broad daylight, some during political gatherings. They beat me and my brother up, in a way that until today I have never again experienced. They locked my uncle at Balabgwe, a disused mine that they turned into a huge mass grave. I was therefore shocked that this Manheru character thinks Gukurahundi is a myth! IT IS NOT A MYTH! It did not affect Ndebeles only but a cross section of Matebeleland and Midlands populations. People like Manheru are allowed to write trash about the incident he probably didn't experience. Some of us carry the scars, but our comments are deleted by the Herald, because they do not want the truth to be said. They want us to accept that Gukurahundi is history, without them accepting their (Or their bosses') role in that history. It's a shame!

Phaphamani - 28 December 2014

I am one of those who were toured by Gukurahundi who declared that they had orders to kill. I thus survived at their mercy. Mwanawevhu must be aware that no wrong corrects another wrong. the Gukurahundi killed many old people accusing them of having invaded Mashona people during Lobengula's time. The current leadership should not merely close chapter without healing the woulds of both the living and the dead. If ignored the hate and hurting will continue to hound our nation.

Warrior - 28 December 2014

A black man killing another blackman for any reason should be condemned by any civilized people and those who commit such crimes should be punished. We see people killing others on political grounds and not punished, which is wrong. If the perpetrators of the killing of 20,000 people are not punished by Zimbabweans then maybe the ICC ought to intervene, otherwise there is a section of society that thinks they can do anything they want with other people's lives???

Okech - 28 December 2014

What literacy are you taking from this universities? Disgrace does have PHD,yes that is literacy in Zim today.Kufundira kuwana kapepa kasina meaning,yet those ministers and presedents send their kids overseas.they are fully aware that there is no meaningful education in Zim today.

China - 28 December 2014

I really don't get it.how can someone involved in the killing of more than 20 000 people be allowed to dictatate that it is case closed? Its like a murderer justifying the killings as okay and everybody agrees. Another has the audacity to blame the west for a crime he knows pretty well they commited. I was a victim myself and I still need an answer on what I did wrong

enos - 28 December 2014

To me people like Mwanawevu and company were not even around during that time of madness they just depending on hearsay .Of 115 dissidents who were there Mugabe killed 20 000 unarmed civilians does that make sense . I am not Ndebele but a pure mu Tonga as we all know Matebeleland is home to the majority of tribal groups in the country if you read some comments here you see that this gukurahundi thing was a revenge for defeaedt of shonas by Ndebeles during the Bantu migration period some hundred years ago in which both parties were armed but the other was not good at fighting .If shonas had beautiful ladies what happened to the genies of those who remained they should have continued making beautiful baby girls. But to close this chapter just like that is being stupid as more trouble will follow in which same killings will take place and that we do not want .

Diibulaanyika - 28 December 2014

Was Gukurahundi really a revenge for old Shona/Ndebele wars? Says who? What about those who were victims of the Nguni wars like the Sothos , Tongas and Kalangas? Why did they get killed during the Gukurahundi? They are double victims? What then must they do? Take up arms and get their revenge?? That's warped thinking in this day and age. Someone has his brains in the wrong bowls!

Phaphamani - 28 December 2014

mwanawevhu it just goes to show how stupidly arrogant you are. Lobengula is no longer around to face his acusers for his alleged crimes. Should the Jews blame Angela Merkel for hiltlers crimes? Mugabe and those that committed their crimes are alive and kicking. They will pay

Doctor do little - 28 December 2014

While l also think the Gugurahundi issue should come to rest ,l am totally against the philosophy that it should do so because it was an act of avenge by the Shona people for the acts done by the Ndebele forefathers.That's a principle that can only be brought by a very mentally retarded Peron or someone intelligent in a negative sense.The issue here is tribal card should not be used as tool to hold on to power.Let truth be told those who are missing their loved ones ,who were buried in mass graves ,get decent burial ,compensation l am not sure because l don't believe there is enough money to buy back life ,that's just people being greedy.This issue is not a tribal issue,its an issue of holding an admistration that that want to rule by force accountable .It goes without saying that ,because this admistration was do used to ruling by force and had seen that they can kill with impunity they had the gusts to steal an election won by opposition by 73%,sorry the security chiefs said 48% ,by killing and torcher and this time around not in Matabeleland only but everywhere where they felt opposed ,so their killing gene is not tribal but they will do to anyone opposed to their views,unless we all stand up for that right to oppose without harm and that can only happen if we stand against all harms done by evil admistration on innocent civilians

Nhlu - 28 December 2014

This chapter cannot close as you have people that will not apologize for their actions. It cannot close as there are bodies that need to be reburied. The spirits of those killed cannot not rest till the loved ones left behind get answers. I t cannot close because the killings go on albeit at a very low level.

The H - 28 December 2014

Apologize for what really, did the Ndebeles ever apologized for the murder , rape and livestock theft that they committed against the Shonas for decades ? They only suffered for 3 months only and please if anyone knows where the mass graves are , do us a favour and show us the pictures of the place and the dead bodies !

lesly - 28 December 2014

AGAIN IT GOES TO SHOW YOUR ignorance. Those you speak of are long dead and gone. We have serial killers that are alive and kicking. They have even killed their own tribe. About the dead bodies go to Mpindo siding. Jump off the train, walk into the bush and see for your self.

Doctor do little - 28 December 2014

I wonder who's livestock Tichaona Chiminya and Talent Mabika stole. I wonder who's women they raped.

The H - 28 December 2014

110% The H. Some people let their tribalistic tendencies cloud their judgement. No one is saying the Shona people are responsible. Zanu pf is responsible. Maybe Lesley is part and parcel of that group.

Doctor do little - 28 December 2014

He even forgets that some of those that were conspirators of these Massacres were Ndebele e.g. Nkala.

The H - 28 December 2014

Can someone tell me who is responsible for the atrocities committed by the Dissidents in Matabeleland? Is it because it was a Ndebele Killing another Ndebele so this does not matter?. Who is responsible for the killings of the Shonas during Entumbane war in the early eighties? It is a known factor that the Zipra went door to door in Njube,Luveve,Lobengula and other western suburbs in Bulawayo killing Shonas.Can someone tell me if it was Mugabe who sent a Zipra combatant to bayoneted a pregnant Shona woman in the stomach along Nketa drive in Mpopoma in the name of getting rid of a Shona baby in the stomach. In my view I think we should be careful when dealing with such issues.

Parks Papindanyoka - 28 December 2014

@ Lesley and other guys stop telling me about Ndebele. I am not Ndebele but I am from Matebeleland. Do you get the difference? I can't speak about Lobengula and Changamire, that was before Zimbabwe was a country, before countries and borders were drawn, before states were created. We are talking of a modern state here with a modern constitution with a mandate to serve and protect citizens

Phaphamani - 28 December 2014

Read and understand. Stop trying to justify the massacre of 20000 people. Were you there at Ntumbane? Mugabe is a killer simple and clear. A time of madness??

The H - 28 December 2014

Phaphamani thanks for the positive message you portray.Some of us look forward to the day when the color of one skin or the tribe he or she comes from Is of no more significance than the colour of his eyes. Where basic human rights Are equally guaranteed to all Without regard to race or tribe. With people who think like you there is hope.

Doctor do little - 28 December 2014

Why is it that some people are hanged for killing one person but Zanu massacred over 80 000 unarmed civilians and got away with it? The proper figure is over 80 000 not 20 000. Trying to fool the world on the actual number. These people should be hanged not run government. But I find it diabolical for political parties to broach the subject of Gukurahundi to score cheap political points but are quite happy to form coalitions with these mass murderers when it suits them. It's us the ordinary people who should talk about Gukurahundi. Churches have so far ignored the subject - they are happy to go to Grace's Mazoe farm to ask for land instead of protesting strongly about Gukurahundi. In 2013 when Tsvangirai was taken to task about the appointment of Mudenda to the Human Rights Commission, because of Mudenda's connection to Gukurahundi, Tsvangirai's answer was, “In fact, it is not about his past because everybody has a past; it is about qualifications…”. These politicians do not give a toss about people's lives but are only worried about their positions and power.

Musona - 28 December 2014

Guys ,all along l did understand why this country was in the situation in which we are,but from this platform l do.We don't value life at all that's point number one ,we feel like people can just be eliminated by who ever is in power as long as we support that person it's acceptable.Second point for most of our ,so said , highly literate Zimbabweans we have hardly moved away from the empire ship of our forefathers,the likes of Dongomire and Mzilikazi and this is the problem that we still have ,too many of us still believe that Mugabe is equivalent to those people and Zimbabwe is a kingdom.We are in a new world of constitutionalism where you govern according to the constitution.Any sane,literate and a person who values life will never equate the Gugurahundi massacre to the dids of Mzilikazi and Lobengula,that was the way of ruling back then,there was no law that outlawed their dids.The third point no leader can be more important that your relative ,no matter what,you can never replaces a relative but we can replace leaders please lets not glorify leaders when they are causing destruction in families because we can't replace a family.I guess all those people saying just let it pass have not lost someone important in their families without explanation and burial,its hard to get over such an incident,you have to put yourself in the shoes of the affected before you comment.By the way when there was truth and reconciliation in south Africa did they start from Shaka's times?.I wonder why we should start from such a long time back .Last point is Tribalism an evil thing that was successfully adopted by an evil man to do evil and turn our beautiful country into a nasty kingdom.

nhlu - 29 December 2014

Pointing fingers at an entire nation will not help matters. A lot and certainly not all Ndebeles blame Shona people for not condemning Mugabe enough abiout the Gukurahundi issue. Right there, that is why so many Shona people start bringing up the Lobengula raids. There is no doubt, a lot of Shona people have suffered verbal at the hands of some Ndebele people. Not all Ndebeles are this abusive, this fact is obvious. My advice to my fellow Ndebeles is it is the verbal abuse against Shona people that make Shona people defensive when it comes to Gukurahundi. Try to look at the Gukurahundi as an insurgency, even though there was overreaction on the part of Mugabe, then you will get sympathisers.

Zuda - 29 December 2014

I have read some of the comments with amazement at the total lack of commonsense and knowledge. Because we have no investigative reportedrs in Zimbabwe some idiot made a conclusion years ago and today there are those of limited education who echo the journaliost lack of knowledge at the time. Truth is I investigated and flew to Pretoria and interviewed Ted Sutton-Price, former Home Affairs in Rhodesia now consultant to psychological warfare in Pretoria. He said during UDI hed a loof locals who were paid to destabilize the then terrs as he described them. he kept them on the payroll. W

infairness - 29 December 2014

Who are the Shona? The people from Mashonaland or any nonwhite human being in Zimbabwe outside Matebeleland? Are whites included in the geographical identity of Zimbabwean tribes after generations of being in Zimbabwe? Were those outside Mataebeleland not brutally raided, maimed, killed, raped, dispossessed, displaced and enslaved by the marauding Ndebele between 1832 and the arrival of the white man in the 1890s? While this does not justify the ills of Gukurahundi it certainly justifies the sense in reconciliation. Those deaths after all were experienced in all corners of the country during the sad June elections leading to the GNU. The so-called Ndebeles who truly for the most part have more than 50% of non Ndebele blood must shut up and just forgive as the others did to their brutal barbaric transgressions of the 1800s.

Chuchu - 29 December 2014

I have read some of the comments with amazement at the total lack of commonsense and knowledge. Because we have no investigative reportedrs in Zimbabwe some idiot made a conclusion years ago and today there are those of limited education who echo the journaliost lack of knowledge at the time. Truth is I investigated and flew to Pretoria and interviewed Ted Sutton-Price, former Home Affairs in Rhodesia now consultant to psychological warfare in Pretoria. He said during UDI hed a loof locals who were paid to destabilize the then terrs as he described them. he kept them on the payroll. When Mugabe chose to go the way of socialism at independence the west was horrified. He reasoned that the west woul\d tiuern a blind eye to destabilization to chage policy back to the west, that was whay it awasll about. That thec press were anxious to point at Mugabe so such an operation would be a success. He had training camps in Mozambique and Botswqna. His operatives would stir up trouble in Matebeleland and Mugabe would not use the integrated army as he did not trust them, if the 5th brigade went in there would be a blood bath and Mugabe would be blamed by local ignorant journalists which would spresd worldwide - the only way to get out of it would be to return to ewestern policy - it was a success, his best mission, perfect. When asked of the missionaries he said there is always collateral damage in any operation. I spoke recently with Joshuwa Nkomos grandson and gave him the names of the operastives. I knew hos Grandfather well. To all those fools that blame Mugabe and his VP's who through their ignorance have covered for those who doid it possibly buy them the odd drink with their lack of knowledge. Stop promoting rumour and covering up for thise who did this horrible deed the survivors have a right to know - government ewre conned as much as you were. Why do you think nothing was said by the Brit government\, no one was taken to the Hague, please wake up!

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dr - 29 December 2014

I dont understand some of the comments. From what I have always understood, the Fifth Brigade committed the atrocities in Matebeleland. I see many people speak of Lobhengulas raids on shonas. My question is, was Gukhurahundi carried out on behalf of the Shona people? Did the Shonas beg Mugabe to eliminate the Ndebeles as revenge for "Lobhengula and Entunane? If so then you are justified. My second question Murambatswina, electoral violence and the destruction of the economy, did the Shona people ask Mugabe or Zanu to do this? Soit would be right if tomorrow the Ndebele revenge Gukurahundi counting on the fact that you will then start another Gukurahundi which we must remember was done by the Government at the behest of the Shona People. The logic or lack of logic demonstrated by most of you shows exactly why the country is in the mess it find its self in. Progressive governments correct their mistakes so that they never happen again.

p.b - 29 December 2014

You can talk of GUKURAHUNDU and fail to mention INTHUBANI. the ndebeles started it all with inthubani then the Shona hit back with GUKURAHUNDI

Murambwi - 29 December 2014

THESE papers vanoita take take neNyaya yeGUKURAHUNDI varikuda kurwadzisa vana veZimbabwe vakarasikirwa nehama dzavo muGukurahundi and inthubani. Unity yakatoitwa between VANKOMO AND vAMUGABE covers it all. its only maNwespaper who are trying to decompain VPs Mnangagwa and Mphoko but hazvishandi.

Murambwi - 29 December 2014

Mwanawevhu you cannot have your cake and eat it too......the perpetrators of these horrors are alive today....they should face the music. A 'war situation' does not justify the murder of innocent civilians. in the modern world people are tried for war crimes....so should Mnangagwa and Mugabe...they are alive today. Go back into time so you can prosecute Lobengula.....nobody should ever have to pay for a crime they did not commit.

mukwerekwere - 29 December 2014

Why would some one from mashonaland try to tell us about gukurahundi they was no gukurahundi in mashonaland listen to us the direct victims we have first hand info . While gukurahundi was happening in matebeleland those in mash were busy merry go round worshiping and singing their song jongwe rakakunda . You know nothing about gukurahundi unless you were a gukurahundi your self . If ndebeles were bad as some spoiled Border Gezi recruits would like to think why are they not influencing their counterpart ngunis in SA to kill the shonas who have followed ndebeles to SA in search of better economy bcoz they killed 20 000 of them ? Mark my words I am not saying shonas are bad people and from what i know they was a lot of friendly movements between baTonga and ba shonas before the whites arrived . But they are some very bad ones like mwanawevu and gang that need to shut up and stop talking nonsense which will further bring too much miss trust and hate amongst us . We zimbabweans know who is gukurahundi and is Mugabe, Sekeremai, Enos,Nala dead, Munangagwa. Perence Shiri Mpoko, Calistus Ndlovu ,Mujuru dead Mutasa these are the gukurahundis not a common shona in Gutu playing sikindo at mushaya banhu growth point no.

Diibulaanyika - 29 December 2014

words can be poisonous. what may appear to be an innocent comment even on this forum might ignite feelings of hate and who knows perhaps war. words can cause harm especially when we are emmotional. brothers and sisters, tone down if it were possible and comment responsibly. we are all zimbabweans, ndebele, shona, white, indian or whatever ethnic background.

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joy - 29 December 2014

ITS FACT THAT NDEBELES KILLED SHONAS DURING LOBENGULA'S TIME.ITS ALSO FACT THAT NDEBELES ARE VERY PROUD,THEY DONT WANT TO PLAY SECOND FIDDLE TO THE SHONAS.THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES ROYALTY,REASON THEY CALL THEIR TOWN CITY OF KINGS AND QUEENS.REASON WHY THEY RUN AWAY TO EGOLI TO LOOK FOR JOBS BECAUSE THEY WANT TO BE ASSOCIATED WITH SOUTH AFRICA,THEY CONSIDER THEMSELVES NEXT TO ZULUS.SO FOR THEM TO BE RULED BY SHONAS,THEY ARE ANGRY AND UNHAPPY,REASON SOME MYOPIC GUYS THERE ARE CALLING FOR IMTHWAKHAZI REPUBLIC FOR THEM JUST TO ESCAPE SHONA RULE.IT DOESNT WORK,YOU ARE FEW IN ZIMBAWE AND WONT RULE HERE.IF YOU WANT TO RULE,GO BACK TO ZULULAND AND MAYBE LETS SEE IF YOU WILL EVEN RULE THERE.SO U CANT ACCEPT THAT SHONAS WERE KILLED BY LOBENGULA BUT ACCEPT THAT NDEBELES WERE KILLED DURING GUKURAHUNDI? WHY? U SAY IT WAS THE WAY OF LIVING THAT TIME...OF KILLING OTHERS,OF LOOTING THEIR GRAIN,CATTLE,WOMEN,YOUNG MEN,KILLING OLD MEN.OK LETS SAY THAT WAS THE WAY THEN BACK.SO IT FOLLOWS THAT DURING GUKURAHUNDI IT WAS THE WAY BECAUSE IT WAS A WAR SITUATION.IS IT NOT A FACT THAT DISSIDENTS WERE FORMER ZIPRA FIGHTERS WHO WRE KILLING SHONAS IN MATLAND AND MIDLANDS,TEACHERS HAD THEIR MOUTHS NOSES CUT OFF AND SOME KILLED.SO IT WAS A WAR AND THE GVT RESPONDED IN THE RIGHT WAY BECAUSE THE DISSIDENTS STAYED IN THE VILLAGES WITH THE PEOPLE AND YOU COULD NOT TELL THE DIFFERENCE.U HAD TO FORCE INFORMATION OUT OF THE VILLAGERS WHO CLEARLY HARBOURED THE DISIDENTS.NO COMPENSATION HERE.IF THE NDEBELES ARE TO BE COMPENSATED,I ALSO WANT COMPENSATION FOR MY FOREFATHERS'S CATTLE,TAKEN.WHO IS GOING TO GIVE ME THIS? EVERY NDEBELE PERSON WHO CLAIMS COMPENSATION MUST FIRST OF ALL COMPENSATE THE KARANGAS FOR THEIR LOSS.WHO EVER WANTS COMPENSATION FROM GVT MUST ALSO PAY THE KARANGAS

mwanawevhu - 29 December 2014

SO IF THE NDEBELES WANT THEIR WOUNDS HEALED AND THEM TO BE COMPENSATED,THEY SHOULD ALSO HEAL THE WOUNDS OF ALL MAKARANGAS AND COMPENSATE THEM.FAIR AND SQUARE.PLIZ DONT TELL US THAT LOBENGULA IS NO LONGER THERE.YOU ARE ALL THERE,ALL YOU WHO WANT COMPENSATION ARE HIS DESCENDANTS AND ,GO AHEAD AND COMPENSATE US.OTHERWISE SHUT UP FOR GOOD

cheyameni - 29 December 2014

You would mistake some of the comments made to be the original article in the newspaper by the length of the article.Ko madii kutanga manewspaper, that would make some good reading.

Tahir Iqbal - 29 December 2014

All the problems in Zimbabwe are caused by the Shona people

Tinyiko - 29 December 2014

There is something that the majority of zimbos are not aware of. Did u know that the majority of the so-called dissidents were using govt vehicles to move around killing people. So ZANU actually sacrificed a few of their Shona speaking supporters to create the impression that the dissidents were not only anti govt but also anti Shona

Mfokamdala - 29 December 2014

@Mwanawevhu I think you killed people, if you can blame people without evidence why can t we blame you. I f you accuse ythe innocent are you not cobering up something. I know who did it or c aused kit deliberately for money. they were jailed for fraud on the front page of the Herald it was said to bev thec lasgest currency caase in Zimbabwe. Local idiots didn t query why so much Money was paid to a localo lawyer by phsy chological warefare in South AFRICA. back issues are available at the herald - go and do some research if you care and ask the question or don't you want to know the truth is it more fun blaming the innocent who were conneed like you. All the names arev there the case was reduced to fraud and they got seven yeatrs for being totally responsible. Can some fool tell me why they were paid so much money by psychological warfare in Pretoria if it wasn't flor orgsanising the killing - how stupid people are or are they just covering u murder forv plokitical reasons. Ask Joshua's grandson, he can give you the names- don't guess its about lives. SA should compensate - why not ask? or investigate, its easy?

infairness - 29 December 2014

People like mwanawevhu do not bother me at all because their boiling hatred affects them in such a way that you can never change them. I on the other hand have friends from every group in Zimbabwe and I am proud of it. Anybody that still blames the events of over 140 years ago on people that are alive today is psychotic and having a debate with him is useless. It is otherwise good to see the sense that comes out of these debates. I personally do not want compensation for anything. I want Justice. If mwanawevhu wants justice he must take Lobenghula to court.

The H - 29 December 2014

As a Christian nation we should look at our nation through the eyes of God. What would God say about all this? Well firstly He will sweep no sin; be it a murder or anything else, under a carpet. The Gukurahundi cannot become a closed chapter until it is confessed, brought out into the open, talked about and forgiven. There does need to be some sort of restitution as that is how the Lord works. true repentance goes with restitution where possible. Before Zimbabwe can be restored we need to deal with all these things since 1980. First and foremost must be the Gukurahundi,and then all the violence and bloodshed around elections and the chaotic land issue, murambatsvina and more. We cannot sweep these other things under the carpet either. They will hinder because God never obliterates and forgives until a sin is confessed and the appropriate restitution is made. Here the nation needs wisdom. Repentance is a very vital thing with God. Without it we are not going anywhere. Zimbabwe needs a true man of God to lead this nation: someone untainted with all this stuff. And the true church should lead in a time of truth, reconciliation and healing between ALL races, clans and tribes of Zimbabwe.

Righteous Justice - 29 December 2014

Please , Entumbane gave birth to Gukurahundi so they say. How did Entumbane start.

zodaw - 29 December 2014

Daily News is just on a warpath with the new VPs. No wonder some say exVP has 10% shares.

Manje so - 29 December 2014

It seemt as if shonas were the ones defeated by ndebeles during bantu migration which is lies as all tribes who were here became subjects of ndebeles baVenda, Kalangas. Nambyias . Tongas . Sothos but they are not complaining about MZILIKAZI bcoz they know their forefathers were not good at fighting although they had arms to defend themselves .as compared to gukurahundi where Mugabe waited until zipra forces handed in their arms and then moved to kill civilians This is being coward while pikinini Mwana we majecha or is wevu talks of Entumbani were two armed groups were shooting at each other in Chitungwiza also they were shootings why do n't you mention that . Many ndebeles houses were taken in harare mention that mwana wa jecha or you have forgotten that bcoz of bhabhalazi you had too much sikokiyana during christmas or you were not even around you are basing everything on hearsays.

Diibulaanyika - 29 December 2014

@ Mwanawevu the Hutus are being ruled by few Tutsis in Rwanda the same can happen here although we do not like it but if this issue of gukurahundi is viewed as a good thing by people like you I FORE SEE it coming war has nothing to do with numbers but quality and bravery .

Diibulaanyika - 29 December 2014

People like "mwanawevhu" who think this should be a closed chapter without any justice being served or some truth and reconciliation program to get closure should first get their families butchered in the most henious of methods, then their female relatives molested and their properties burnt and they Mwanawevhu et al made to watch and live with the trauma and then stand up and say let this be a closed chapter and see how they like it.

Lt General - 29 December 2014

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