Zipra veterans blast Mutsvangwa

BULAWAYO - Veterans of the military wing of the late, Joshua Nkomo’s Zapu have said they are being sidelined by the Christopher Mutsvangwa-led Zimbabwe National Liberation War Veterans Association (ZNLWVA).

The Zimbabwe People’s Revolutionary Army’s (Zipra) Veterans Trust took a dig at the Znlwva, accusing it of ostracising them and ignoring their undisputable role in the liberation struggle.

Comforter Dube, the Zipra Veterans Trust secretary general, yesterday said the Mutsvangwa-led Znlwva was not all inclusive in its operations, describing it as divisive and counter progressive.

Mutsvangwa has since been appointed the minister for Welfare Services for War Veterans, War Collaborators, Former Political Detainees and Restrictees.

“What worries us as former Zipra is the blatant  sidelining of the former Zipra Command in mapping the future of our former combatants,” Dube told the Daily News.

“Even the preparations and activities at the Znlwva Masvingo Congress were not all inclusive, notwithstanding the fact that the presence of the former Zipra High Command in the security forces is insignificant to say the least.”

Dube said it was unfortunate that some elements within the war veterans association were sidelining other veterans despite the clear history of unity dating back to the colonial era.

He added that Znlwva was created to look after the interests of all veterans of the liberation war adding that the interests of every war veteran must be considered by any government formed by any political party in the Zimbabwe they fought to liberate.

“War veterans need to be united as war veterans. They should pay allegiance to Znlwva.

“For them to pay allegiance to Znlwva, the association should be non-discriminatory. All members must feel equal before the association irrespective of their religion, political and any other conviction or association,” he said.

Dube also took aim at the so-called War Veterans Elders whom he said were “politically” handpicked to map the future of Znlwva.

“We at Zipra do not recognise some of those as elders, hence the move is counter-productive.”

Towards the 6th Zanu PF congress, some individuals calling themselves War Veterans Elders, waded into the party’s internecine squabbles which saw the outspoken former war vets leader Jabulani Sibanda being deposed after his “bedroom coup” gaffe.

Zipra described the Znlwva Masvingo Congress which elected Mutsvangwa as the chairman last month as unconstitutional.

“The congress itself was unconstitutional, and as a result a lot of questions beg for answers — the first one being who suspended the Znlwva constitution and under what authority?

“Who are these war veterans’ elders? How do they qualify to be elders? Under what legality was the congress in Masvingo held? To whom are those elected in Masvingo answerable? How long is their term of office?

What is their legitimacy in the eyes of the war veterans since they were elected under a non-existing constitution?”

Dube, however, said it was shocking that the association has been turned into an entirely Zanu PF entity, yet it is made up of war veterans from different political parties.

Comments (53)

I am a ZANLA ex-combatant and I totally agree with your observations that all the questions need answers. May be it is high time we form another all encompassing organisation..With a proper constitution,no patron,no elders etc.

T Kagonda - 17 December 2014

Ayas!

ovet - 17 December 2014

ZanuPF has never embraced Zapu. It just swallowed zapu full stop and they do as they want. They just spice up the unity accord with 2 puppets and that is it.

maita - 17 December 2014

As far as we are concerned JB is still our leader

tinofatichienda - 17 December 2014

As long as these veterans are partisan they will not gain national sympathy. They went to war to liberate the country and not to liberate a party. The organisation should be above party politics and the individuals making up the organisation in their own personal capacities can ofcourse belong to whatever party they want. The organisation itself should not be embedded in any party.

Galore 123 - 17 December 2014

jubu murume uya. hangoti hungu zvese zvese se vavava vanoda kufadza mother nekutukirira vanhu vavasina kudenhanha navo.

tsanga - 17 December 2014

Mugabe is the one causing this nonsense since 1980 and before. If they had come from war as a united front , all this madness would not be there. Most if not all Zipra people are Vice in posts.

X-MAN IV - 17 December 2014

“…role in the liberation struggle”! “…every war veteran must be considered by any government formed by any political party in the Zimbabwe they fought to liberate”. What a load of garbage. 99.9% of the people who skipped the border in the 1970s did not know about Zanu or what they were fighting for. Some simply skipped the border after learning that next door, in Mozambique, there was now black rule. When they got to Mozambique they soon realised they could not come back and were directed to Zanu camps. Any person born around 1959-60 would not have known what Zanu was. As for Zanu or Zapu “Liberating the country” - nonsense. Lancaster House Conference (From 10 September 1979 to 15 Dec 1979) ---- ANNEX G - Opening speeches by Lord Carrington (British Government Chairman) - “I am glad to welcome you to this Conference and to open its proceedings. - When the British Government ISSUED INVITATIONS to this Conference on 14 August, after extensive consultations, we naturally hoped for and expected a positive response. Our consultations had revealed a strong desire that the United Kingdom should take the initiative in making a further attempt to achieve a final settlement of the problem of Rhodesia, in fulfilment of its constitutional responsibilities”. Where is “liberation here”?

Musona - 17 December 2014

The distrust between ZIPRA and ZANLA did not start today. We need to know the truth of what happened before independence and if it is justifiable for ZIPRA to continue singing the victim song. If ZAPU and ZIPRA had won in 1980, how were they going to treat ZANLA? May worse. Just read this book called "Winds of destruction" written by an ex Rhodesian Air Force Pilot. It's obvious the ZIPRA saw ZANLA more as an enemy than the Rhodesian Army.

Kuda Muchena - 17 December 2014

When we liberated our selves from the evil rulers who called us names as kefa , bhobojan, killed us like amagundwane and told us that we knew thing only making babies right in the land of our forefathers we thought peace had finally arrived but alas they came tribalism which replaced racism and as we all know tribalism if not handled carefully what happened in Rwanda can happen anywhere as those who are on the receiving end mighty want to free themselves leading to blood bath. But it is always good for our nation to work together white or black and that can only happen in the absence of in power

Diibulaanyika - 17 December 2014

I quote the following from "Winds of destruction" Lookout Masuku moved forward and gave a short message to his troops. He then said that he would introduce the members of the Ceasefire Committee individually. Lookout gave place of honour to the Rhodesians and for reasons already known to me I was introduced first. I simply took one pace forward, saluted and stepped back into line. General Barnard followed me. Next Lookout introduced General Acland and Brigadier Gurdon before ZANLA. Rex Nhongo was standing right beside me. As he stepped forward to salute, he was greeted with the menacing metallic sounds of heavy weapons being cocked. Being so close to him I went cold, expecting to be shot at any moment. Rex ignored the deliberate insult, saluted and stepped back. When Josiah Tungamirai's deputy stepped forward, weapons were cocked again. ZIPRA's hatred of ZANLA had been shown in a very graphic but typically African way!

Kuda Muchena - 17 December 2014

last sentence must be in the absence of zanu in power

Diibulaanyika - 17 December 2014

@ Musona, the Lancaster House Conference came as a result of a war that was being brutally fought. Come to my rural home in Wedza and i will show you evidence that a war was fought. There are wreckages of destroyed Rhodesian military vehicles in the country side. A war was fought and people died, there are graves and unmarked graves. The war liberated us Musona.

Kuda Muchena - 17 December 2014

@Kuda Muchena all is rubbish what you are telling us hear what were the reasons for zipra to behave that way ? They must be a reason why they did that as you also shot them. We have heard a lot of such lies from zanla since 1980 . We know very well that zipra was not barbaric like zanla . You can see their barbaric acts in gukurahundi .

Diibulaanyika - 17 December 2014

I went to different areas of Wedza in 1992 and 2002. I drove around on both occasions with the locals and never saw any wrecked vehicles. Are you saying your rural home was the epicentre of this war? If it was not then there were military vehicles littered all over other rural areas? Which means the Rhodesians never had any vehicles left! The presence of wrecked military vehicles (I don't believe any of that) means nothing. In Sri Lanka the Tamil Tigers fought the Sinhalese government ferociously since 1976 but were defeated. Unita in Angola were fighting the MPLA government until 2002 but never got anywhere. The Farc guerrillas are still fighting the Colombian army since 1964. Colombia's county-side is littered with wrecked army vehicles but it does not mean Farc guerrillas are winning or have won, does it? I have given quotations of the opening remarks by the new British Foreign Minister showing that parties to the Lancaster House Conference were INVITED by the new British government in August 1979. The nearest the new British Foreign Secretary came to the war area (Rhodesia) was when he attended the Commonwealth Conference in Lusaka in August 1979 and was not under any pressure from anyone to call a Conference. In fact, Joshua Nkomo and Mugabe were FORCED to attend by the Frontline State Presidents or else they stood to lose support from the host nations, Zambia, Tanzania and Mozambique. I do not see where the “liberation” was. Nobody inside the country called for a conference. My own definition of “liberation” is when a group of fighters chase away or defeat an incumbent government and establishes a new order soon after like what happened live on TV in Libya, not when people are forced to attend a Conference initiated by some body from abroad who was not directly involved in the dispute or fighting. When those in ZanuPF say they liberated the country what exactly do they mean? They got into power via the people's votes after Muzorewa's reign.

Musona - 17 December 2014

The facts must be very clear or very accurate because we have been paying taxes which have gone on to sustain these so-called war veterans when they were voted into power by the ordinary folk. People have been force-fed a pack of lies by Zanu and Zapu. Way back in February 1976 Zanu and Zapu turned down Henry Kissinger's transitional proposals for no apparent reason. Maybe they wanted a military victory which was beyond them unfortunately.

Musona - 17 December 2014

For anyone who needs a different version of what Musona is saying check this article by Paul Moorcraft (by no way a Black nationalist): "And so the Rhodesian saga was to be decided largely on the battlefield. The war can be divided into three stages: from UDI to 1972, the small Rhodesian security forces were engaged in a conflict they could have won decisively in military terms; from 1972 to 1976, it could be described as 'no-win' war; and from 1976 to 1980 the Rhodesians were sucked into a war they were manifestly losing. If the Lancaster House talks had not intervened, military defeat was around the corner for white Rhodesia." - See more at: http://www.historytoday.com/paul-moorcraft/rhodesias-war-independence#sthash.Kv6WZyh1.dpuf

Gatsi Rusere - 18 December 2014

@ Musona, you are entitled to your opinion(s), be they right or wrong.

Kuda Muchena - 18 December 2014

@ Diibulaanyika, I quote again from the book "WINDS OF DESTRUCTION". "After the war was over, we (The Rhodesians) learned that Joshua Nkomo believed his only hope (in leading Zimbabwe) was to launch all his ZIPRA forces immediately with a view to overrunning Salisbury in two fast-moving drives. If successful, he hoped to secure Rhodesian forces to his cause so that, together, the Rhodesian Security Forces and ZIPRA could destroy the common enemy ZANU and ZANLA. Thereafter, an interim government would be established to prepare the country for all-party elections that excluded Mugabe and ZANU." ZIPRA's common enemy was ZANLA not The Rhodesian security forces.

Kuda Muchena - 18 December 2014

..... Rememer Morogoro(Tanzania) where ZANLA WITH THE ASSISTANCE FROM THE CHINESE kILLED SO MANY Zipra cadres, the ruthless female Zanla commander(CANT REMEMBER HER NAME,BUT WAS SHOT DEAD BY THE zAMBIANS) in Zambia, the one who used to torture male cadres by inserting hot wire into their penises and many more such brutalities even to its own.......Zanu Has always been a monster since its birth in 1963.

THE TRUTH - 18 December 2014

There is a time for everything.This wrong will surely one good day STOP.

Jordan N - 18 December 2014

@The Truth, It is obvious that Zambia prefered and favoured ZAPU and ZIPRA. That is why ZANU and ZANLA relocated to Samora Machel's Mozambique. Thank God in 1980 the outcome was in favour of ZANU, (it's a fact that the Rhodesians prefered a ZAPU victory to the extend of planning a coup in the event of a ZANU victory. Peter Walls did not give the signal to exterminate the ZANU leadership much to the chagrin of the racists and their puppets. It's there in black and white. So don't cry the victim. We are tired of it.

Kuda Muchena - 18 December 2014

vehukama do not believe musona. akamaka vanhu vatema. to him the war was some kind of skirmishies involving blacks perhaps not whites. to him blacks were frog-marched to the lancaster house not whites. to him colonialism was the best thing that ever happened to this country. he has what sounds like good facts because he studied for it when he was sponsored to do a dimploma in colonialism. what seems to be off balance is that, he read for the diploma using literature that was prepared by white politicians. how would one trust him given the fact that whites would also use propaganda during the war? if he had gathered his information from locals, or if he read for his diploma using books written by local academia, noone would dispute his claims. if i wasn't too young to cross the boarder, i would have joined the war not because of knowledge of zanu or zapu's ideologies but simply because of the way the minority rulers treated us. this man has his own problem with black people. i doubt he is black. its just a doubt.

taurai - 18 December 2014

Don't cry comrades, the times of end for the monster is nigh. Its a few days.

Ndazvitaura - 18 December 2014

@kuta Muchena-one day the truth will be told. Zapu was never a favourite of the British but instead Zanu was-why because Zapu was backed by the then much dreaded Soviet Union and Zanu by China which the west did not consider much of a threat then. The idea was to stop Rhodesia being taken over by the Communists under Josh but rather have Mugabe who was pro west until the birth of MDC. It is after the birth of MDC that Zanu became unti- West/whites as an MDC campaign tool.If it wasnt for sanctions Mugabe would be in the UK, France for shopping by now..ya...!

The Truth - 18 December 2014

@kuta Muchena-one day the truth will be told. Zapu was never a favourite of the British but instead Zanu was-why because Zapu was backed by the then much dreaded Soviet Union and Zanu by China which the west did not consider much of a threat then. The idea was to stop Rhodesia being taken over by the Communists under Josh but rather have Mugabe who was pro west until the birth of MDC. It is after the birth of MDC that Zanu became unti- West/whites as an MDC campaign tool.If it wasnt for sanctions Mugabe would be in the UK, France for shopping by now..ya...!

The Truth - 18 December 2014

There are no two sides to how black rule was attained. It was through a Lancaster House agreement INITIATED by the then new British prime minister Thatcher in 1979. I was following events by the minute. The fighting by Zanu and Zapu has no connection whatsoever with the attainment of black rule. Zanu was voted into power by the ordinary folk in 1980. Joshua Nkomo and Robert Mugabe initially refused to attend the Lancaster House Conference but were forced by the Front line Presidents lest they lost support from Zambia, Tanzania and Mozambique. When Zanu or Zapu say they "liberated the country" what exactly do they mean?

Musona - 18 December 2014

Anyone who tells you that Zanu and Zapu “liberated the country” then that person is one of these things - a pathological liar OR ignorant of events at the time OR both of these.

Musona - 18 December 2014

Before Lancaster House was initiated by the then new British PM Thatcher, Abel Muzorewa had reached an internal settlement with Smith where Muzorewa was the Prime minister of Zimbabwe-Rhodesia. Zanu and Zapu scoff at this arrangement as not being the real thing because this was a rival political party - that Muzorewa was just a puppet. That Muzorewa arrangement makes it even worse for Zanu and Zapu to say that “liberated the country” - did they “liberate it from Muzorewa” or what because Muzorewa was regarded as the prime minister in 1979?

Musona - 18 December 2014

The likes of Kuta Muchena, Gutsi Rusere, Musona and others rely too much on material from hired Propagandists AND, ZTV'S ENIAS CHIGWEDEREs, MPEPEREKIs, Mahosos, MARARIKES ETC FOR WHAT THEY TERM RELIABLE INFORMATION. THE HISTORY OF ZIMBABWE ESPECIALY IT'S STRUGGLE FOR INDEPENDENCE HAS BEEN DISTORTED SO MUCH BY THESE ZANU PF PROPAGANDISTS THAT IT WILL TAKE SOMETIME FOR THE TRUTH TO BE KNOWN. FROM THE TONE OF YOUR CONTRIBUTIONS MOST OF YOU ARE REAL YOUNG AND I DO NOT BLAME YOU AS YOU HAVE TO RELY ON WRITTEN HISTORY WHETHER TRUE OF FALSE.

The Truth - 18 December 2014

Nonsense - I do not depend on anyone's information - what I write is what I saw first hand - what I witnessed. Why should I rely on information from Mahoso who only came back to the country after 1980?

Musona - 18 December 2014

Mugabe is not the only old person surviving in Zimbabwe. Why do people always say "Read history" as if all people who witnessed the politics of the 1960s up to 1980s are all dead. I do not need to read any history - I was around when it was all happening. Just because you were born after 1980 does not mean everyone in Zimbabwe was born after 1980.

Musona - 18 December 2014

The following are the casualty figures of the Rhodesian Bush war July 1964 up to December 1979 - 1,361 Rhodesian security forces members killed, 10,000+ guerrillas killed - 468 white civilians killed and 7,790 black civilians killed.

Musona - 18 December 2014

Musona you do not have any brain. Your head is full of the white man's tuzvis.

Kuda Muchena - 18 December 2014

we are tired of this distorted history abt war. taneta veduwee. please talk about the economic war not zvemusango izvo. why are you enemies of progress Hondo this Hondo that commander what what kure uko we want better life. Hondo is the thing of the past. We want grace Mugabe for VP asina Hondo yaanoziva born in SA we are tired of warvets.

matozviitiro - 18 December 2014

I really encourage everyone here to start reviewing their country's history, come to independent historical conclusions and share with others your results where possible. That is what historians try to do, but being equally human, they are not free of the plague of bias and their lack of objectivity might not be even conscious to them. But sometimes the evidence is there for all of us to see, and verify on our own. Since I was born way after the war was over some of my history comes from Zim history textbooks, but I have since learned that history is not that linear nor is it that simplistic. I had the advantage of being raised in a family with a Ndebele father and a Shona mother (who was a history lecturer) and I enjoyed their debates on what actually transpired during the Liberation struggle since both of them experienced it from different perspectives. If anything it started to raise my curiosity levels. Then I would talk to my maternal grandparents to get their experiences of the war, and ask my uncle who was a mujibha for Zanu during those times, and other "war vet" members of the family. In my free time I now go back to primary and secondary history sources like newspapers during that time, and books by nationalists/Rhodesians. The internet makes it even easier these days, and I would encourage people to exploit it in seeking for historical truth. You might like me start to note that people's experiences of the war were vastly different depending on many factors, and maybe understand the different point of view that people on this forum have with regards to the war.

Gatsi Rusere - 18 December 2014

@The Truth, I wonder how you came to that conclusion based on the link to the article that I shared. I don't think you even bothered to read the article, and maybe even the comment itself (hopefully you did not just comment for the sake of commenting). Also, even if you saw the war firsthand like you and good ole Musona claims you can only be in one place at one time so you still have to depend on some information from studying, or hearsay then make a judgment to ascertain if what was said was true or not just like many of us. (I did not because I was born way after the war was over). But the people who saw it with their eyes are most prone to bias because they believe their experiences was the same as everyone's which is not true, and if they part of either of the three main military units, they were the most prone to the propaganda that was spewed by each side to its ardent followers, and even unto the helpless masses who also heavily suffered the brunt of the armed struggle from all three sides of the triangle.

Gatsi Rusere - 18 December 2014

@kudo muchena - my brain is like your mother's bottom. Idiot.

Musona - 18 December 2014

@kudo muchena or taurai or gatsi rusere or the truth - my brain is like your mother's bottom. Idiot.

Musona - 18 December 2014

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Gatsi Rusere - 18 December 2014

@Diibulaanyika, what i was saying is we are tired of your complains every time. We do not owe you anything. ZIPRA was synonymous with rapings in their areas of operations. Ask people in Guruve, Hurungwe and other areas. isn't that barbaric. Mind you, the barbarians won the war for you.

Kuda Muchena - 18 December 2014

@ Musona, I am sorry for insulting you. I don't have the right to insult you. Our different opinions do not mean we have to insult each other. Again i regret for my insult. Civilized people respect divergence of opinions.

Kuda Muchena - 18 December 2014

@kudo muchena or taurai or gatsi rusere or the truth - you are the one who uses abusive language under different pseudonyms you stupid moron. Idiot.

Musona - 18 December 2014

@kudo muchena or taurai or gatsi rusere or the truth - you were brought up with a single mother with many boyfriends that is why. You lacked parental guidance. Feral scum.

Musona - 18 December 2014

I am glad that dear readers can see for themselves the person that resorts to name calling and acidic vitriol whenever someone argues against their conception of truth. It is amazing how some of those who lacked parental guidance are able to attack issues without attacking the person, yet the ones whose blood apparently oozes with nobility, and are apparently gentrified can't finish an argument without using abusive language.

Gatsi Rusere - 18 December 2014

@ Gudo Jena you are a tired and confused Igave you an example of how barbaric zanla was when they killed 20 000 unarmed harmless civilians . The killings are still on although now they have shifted to mashonaland where those who do not support it have their homes burnt or killed like Ndira ,Chiminya and many others . During the war Zambia hosted many liberation movements zapu anc ,zanu,and swapo but bcoz zanu tarted its barbaric killing its on people in a foreign country they were chased away from that country no other party was chased away only zanu why? We are tired of the trash that you are talking about here . You are depending on a book written by a pilot who would not come near a terrorist during that time how independent is that pilot that you so depend on him ? You party is a party of demons that have destroyed everything that was left behind by Smith.

Diibulaanyika - 18 December 2014

@Guta Muchena, your white Rhodesian pilot was trying to seek accommodation from Zanu. He had to write something that pleases them. Just like the Mutasas ,mujurus, jabulanis one day you will know the true Zanu-it is a killer, run before its too late, but unfortunately just like all Zimbos you have nowhere to run.

The truth - 19 December 2014

Its a pity that your publication is based in Harare and does not have provincial editions like some of your competitors. The challenge with your present systems is that coverage of provincial issues often gets overshadowed by those emanating from areas closer to home in terms of your current centrist style. This situation, in my opinion makes it apparent that your publication marginalises areas outside the capital. As a matter of fact it seems that some of your reporters take advantage of this situation in order to push their private agendas (taking care to remain within editorial policy of course) with the effect that some views in the Daily news often appears to be polarised along regional lines. The acrimonious out pourings, evident in the foregoing contributions is the result of such polarisation, perceived or real. Why don't you eliminate this situation by ensuring that you tell it like it is for and about all of Zimbabwe.

Lewis Jones - 19 December 2014

@The Truth, that white pilot Peter Petter-Bowyer was born in 1936 in Salisbury, Southern Rhodesia. As a boy during World War II he'd watch the Royal Air Force training aircraft whirling in the colonial skies above-so was born his craving to fly. In 1957 he joined the Royal Rhodesian Air Force as an officer cadet. He became a senior operational pilot during the bush war and was instrumental in designing and producing a range of unique aeronautical weapons systems. He retired prematurely as a group captain in 1980 with the advent of Mugabe's rule and now lives in England.

Kuda Muchena - 19 December 2014

@The Truth, that white pilot was comfortable to invite ZIPRA commanders, Lookout Masuku and Dumiso Dabengwa for dinner in his own home. He was never comfortable in the presence of Rex Nhongo (Solomon Mujuru) and Josiah Tungamirai despite the fact that they were all member of the Ceasefire Committee. Facts are stubborn.

Kuda Muchena - 19 December 2014

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