Mugabe warned

HARARE - Analysts have warned President Robert Mugabe and his misfiring government that Zanu PF’s increasingly violent factional and succession wars will sink Zimbabwe’s ailing economy to levels witnessed five years ago, unless they act decisively now.

The warning comes as the former liberation movement is currently embroiled in vicious infighting, pitting loyalists of embattled Vice President Joice Mujuru and party strongman, Justice minister Emmerson Mnangagwa, although both bigwigs deny leading any faction.

Respected economist John Robertson told the Daily News yesterday that the economy would persist on a downward spiral unless the country resolved its succession problem.

“The people who are supposed to be directing and implementing policy are currently channelling their energies elsewhere. Under normal circumstances, we would expect the president to make strong decisions to deal with this, but unfortunately for the economy no decision has been made,” he lamented.

Robertson also said unless Mugabe made it clear soon when he would be retiring or who his preferred successor would be, uncertainty would continue to haunt the economy.

“It would have been helpful to the economy and investors if there was a clear succession plan in place. A plan which everyone knew. However, as it stands, there is a lot of uncertainty in the economy and it would be hard — if not impossible — for us to attract any serious investor,” he added.

Mugabe, turning 91 soon, is the only leader that Zimbabweans have had since independence in 1980. Despite his advanced age and failing health, he has vowed to see through his current term which expires in 2018 — when he will be 95 then.

As it is, Mugabe is both Africa’s oldest leader and its longest ruling. In his 34 years in power, South Africa has had seven leaders, Zambia six, Malawi five, Botswana four and Mozambique four.

Economist Christopher Mugaga said the acrimony playing out in the governing party did not augur well for the country, both politically and economically.

“Statements made by people who are expected to unite a nation are more dangerous than their actions,” he said, adding that the economy was always the first casualty in the kind of anarchy that was being experienced in Zimbabwe.

“If there are issues and problems there must be a way to address them, instead of washing dirty linen in public. During the Government of National Unity there were channels that the Prime Minister and President used to address their differences, but more often than not never in public. This gave investors’ confidence about our country and to come here. As a result the economy benefited,” Mugaga said.

While Cabinet ministers, senior civil servants, war veterans and ordinary Zanu PF party members have openly taken sides in the current factional wars and are busy throwing mud at each other, other analysts say the country’s battered economy has sadly in the meantime been left on auto-pilot.

Already, macro-economic indicators are showing that the economy might not register any growth at all this year.

This comes after Finance minister Patrick Chinamasa recently revised downwards this year’s gross domestic product due to declining economic conditions in the country.

Following the adoption of the multi-currency regime in 2009, and during the inclusive government period, there was a marked increase in various sectors’ performance, with GDP growth averaging 7,1 percent between 2009 and 2012.

However, since the Zanu PF party took sole custody of the government last year, after controversially winning the country’s harmonised elections, the economy has been nose-diving.

Even the International Monetary Fund warned this week that Zimbabwe’s economy was at a crossroads.

“The economic situation remains difficult. The post-hyperinflation rebound has ended. Gross Domestic Product growth decelerated from 10,5 percent in 2012 to 4,5 percent in 2013, due to adverse weather conditions, weak demand for key exports, and election-year uncertainty,” the IMF said.

The Bretton Woods institution said the outlook in 2014 was for continued low growth of about three percent.

“The external position is precarious, with low international reserves, a large current account deficit, an overvalued real exchange rate, and growing external arrears. Credit and deposit growth have slowed down sharply, liquidity conditions are tight, and the banking system remains weak.

“Fiscal pressures arose in early 2014 due to higher-than-budgeted wage increases and revenue shortfalls as the economy weakened,” the IMF added.

Political commentators also warn that the nonagenarian leader’s continued grip on Zimbabwe could have a destabilising effect on the country.

“Deflation is already at two and this will inevitably create a health and social crisis because the country will not be able to fund the health sector. Mugabe’s holding on to power is catastrophic even for the region. South Africa will also feel the impact as Zimbabweans migrate there,” said Eddie Cross, a prominent economist and Movement for Democratic Change Member of Parliament.

South Africa is currently in the process of renewing the permits of more than 200 000 Zimbabweans to whom it granted an opportunity to work in that country in 2009. The process is expected to end by December this year.

A report released in July by Statistics South Africa revealed that most permanent residence permits granted in South Africa are to Zimbabweans, followed by people from the Democratic Republic of Congo and Nigeria respectively.

Comments (50)

Who are you warning ? Are you new comers in this country? You are wasting you time and energy Mugabe will never ever listen to any warnings .If he listened to warnings he would not have destroyed the commercial farms , he would not pay 50 000 zim dollars to volunteers or war vets who went to war on their on . If he listened to warnings no soldiers were going to be sent to DRC Congo . The old guy is dull he confuses people by speaking good english which is not being cleveras we all know . One of the signs of madness is where by the person thinks he knows everything and Mugabe is exactly like that.

Diibulaanyika - 9 November 2014

mugabe is not the longest ruling leader in africa, obiang and dos santos came to power in 1979. get your facts right mr reporter or you spoil your story

chibhunu - 9 November 2014

I think babamudiki you are commenting out of bitterness. Your choice of words dilutes your point to the 13 file: You cannot call our revolutionary Comrades: volunteers or war vets who went to war on their on. Go back to your history.

Rodrick Maumbe - 9 November 2014

The only way to remove Mugabe is by force. He is not going to name a successor because he is still angling to smuggle in a person who will safeguard his family interests and retirement. Unless people take to the streets and force him out we are doomed.

Disaster - 9 November 2014

I also thought going to war was voluntary no one was forced. I also thought that a volunteer who died during the war was never rewarded because a lost life cannot be be reversed back to life. I also thought that 50000 was a token of appreciation and not compensation. For compensation is by the offender e.g. Ian Smith and his regime. I also thought that if there was anything like compensation, the people who bore the full brunt of the war were the defenceless, unarmed , untrained civilians who supported the so called war vets. I also thought these guys were given some money called demobilisation or something some time after war. I also thought we did not mortgage ourselves by allowing them to fight for us. I thought again that these guys and girls were honorable people who were of noble and selfless. Willing to lose life and limb for all of us. I also thought that they would have the same spirit even after war.Again I thought they would stand for what is right. But now I think they bought the country and everythingin it including me and you just because they went war for us. Because your mother gave birth to you then you must die of hunger and lack while giving all the food to her because she gave back to you. You should forever be grateful. As if you chose to be born by her????? But then maybe my thoughts are weird!!!!!

mosquito - 9 November 2014

I also thought that all Zimbabweans were and are victims (by virtue of being Zimbabwean) to or of colonialism,oppression,suppression,slavery, the liberation war,racism, segregation, violence,torture, imprisonment, etc. I also thought that all therefore may need to be compensated. I also think that by compensating the fish (war vets) then the pond (the povo) also needs some form of redress. I thought the pond was greater than the fish. I also thought that by selective compensation, it may mean the masses havana basa. I was just thinking.

mosquito - 9 November 2014

@ Rodrick you call me babamudiki which is wrong you do not know my age . I was born in Rhodesia what i said here is what i saw I am not like you who was fed bile at Border Gezi camps and you think you know history . What is a volunteer? If you offer your self to do any service without payment you are a volunteer and at the end of what ever service you render you get nothing . Rodrick if you have nothing to say do not say nothing you are exposing your self. All those who went to war volunteered and are regarded as volunteers . Smith soldiers were not volunteers they were employed as soldiers and they were paid every month end . Anywhere it is not your fault like many ZANU supporters in reserves and farms you were brainwashed and you need through cleansing for you to be at par with unbrain washed counterparts .

Diibulaanyika - 9 November 2014

@Rodrick maybe by calling me babamidiki you mean i am your father 's younger brother ? You see shona ino ndinesa but all in all throw away your Border Gezi certificate it is confusing you history wise.

Diibulaanyika - 9 November 2014

If you throw away your perceived history in favour of that of your colonisers you make perennial mistake that would dog you for long. whatever your take is with events unfolding in your country, you need something from which to mobilise people. you need a common story that helps reflect on who you are as a people. one such things can come in the form of shared victories like attaining independence from oppression. in this case independence from british rule. take that away, you remain fragmented and unable to focus people on any meaningful endeavour. in my view, war vets played a significant part in the liberation of this country just as the some is for the british people who volunteered to fight in the 2nd world war. they are referred to in british history books as war heros. at a certain time in the year, people take time to reflect on their sacrifice. many country do just that. zimbabwe cannot be an exception. it is important that we value what others did for us dispite the ills the country is going through. that way, we would have been able to seperate important things from emotions. emotions have a tendency of allowing for self harm and regret. just my observation.

taurai - 9 November 2014

I don't agree with other analysts that “…Zanu PF's increasingly violent factional and succession wars will sink Zimbabwe's ailing economy…”. That is my opinion. Mugabe is in a catch-22 situation, which is not unique to Zimbabwe, that if he appoints a successor now there is no guarantee there will not be any violence. In Zambia right now Sata's ruling PF is in turmoil - party officials are fighting each other to succeed Sata with other officials sending immigration investigators to find out if certain presidential aspirants are truly Zambians like Edgar Lungu the Minister of Defence and Justice who is being suspected of being from Malawi. Sata had appointed white man Guy Scott as Vice-President to act a buffer - he knew Guy Scott was ineligible to be his successor and would not challenge Sata. Succession battles are invariably bloody everywhere else not just in Zimbabwe. I don't agree that the economy will fare better if Mugabe were to choose a successor now. In what way? The economy was sinking anyway. Others in ZanuPF who might not like Mugabe's chosen successor will sabotage this successor. In Zambia when Chiluba chose Levy Mwanawasa as his successor this upset presidential aspirants like Michael Sata who left the MMD to from the PF. This is why I say appointing now or not will not make any difference. Let them fight each other like mad and see who comes out on top - it comes with the territory.

Musona - 9 November 2014

One sentence should read, "In Zambia when Chiluba chose Levy Mwanawasa as his successor this upset presidential aspirants like Michael Sata who left the MMD to form the now-ruling PF".

Musona - 9 November 2014

Mugabe thought he was a clever thing but events have shown that he will go down into history as the worst leader of independent Zimbabwe. Even Ian Smith's oppressive years have been overshadowed by Mugabe's incompetency, let alone the performance of his foot soldiers who were reduced to yes man over the years. Thank you all for your comments and let's keep the discussion and keep HOPING God will come to our rescue but I predict another civil war in the post-Mugabe era. Mugabe is a stupid leader who lacked vision and now finds himself in a fix he cannot fix...he is praying to depart from this world and leave us to sort out his mess...unfortunately at huge costs

Garikayi - 9 November 2014

'In his 34 years in power, South Africa has had seven leaders, Zambia six, Malawi five, Botswana four and Mozambique four.' All these countries have seen their economies grow hugely and citizens prosper massively, compared to the devastation brought to Zimbabwe by Mugabe's disastrous economic policies, which have bankrupt the Nation and impoverished most of its people. Thirty four years of Mugabe's MISGOVERNANCE is the reason why Zimbabwe is now the second poorest nation in the world, and millions of it's citizens, including much of it's most educated, have fled abroad.

The Black Aristocrat - 9 November 2014

“Even Ian Smith's oppressive years have been overshadowed by Mugabe's incompetency…” - utter utter load of garbage. Ian Smith's oppressive years? Cannot find enough words to condemn this statement. What is “oppression”? To dominate harshly: to subject a person or a people to a harsh or cruel form of domination. I did not see that myself. The Ian Smith I know was a realist and very very very wise. When he was in power we took things for granted and only realised how good Smith was when Mugabe was in charge. I am not the only one. ----- One Saturday morning, in the year 2000, I witnessed one of the most amazing scenes I will ever see in my life - I drove to Fife Avenue Shopping centre to buy some items in a Hardware shop. I went in OK supermarket nearby first and when I got inside there was commotion - I soon realised that Ian Smith was in the supermarket and was mobbed by shoppers and shop workers. Everything came to a standstill. People outside thought there was a fight inside only to see it was people cheering Ian Smith. I could not believe what I was seeing. When he went outside back to his red VW Golf car still he was being mobbed and cheered by almost everyone at Fife Avenue. People were shouting you were dead right Mr Smith. All spontaneous. He just smiled and never said anything and drove away. At the time cellphones were just being introduced but with no camera as we have now. The scene at Fife Avenue Shopping centre that day were astonishing. Jaw-dropping stuff. If Ian Smith's government was as our politicians say then he should have been attacked by the crowd but instead the crowd spontaneously mobbed and cheered Ian Smith like you will never see in your life. This was a very busy Saturday morning and people came rushing from all directions when they heard it was Ian Smith all cheering. He was alone without any bodyguards. This goes to show you how good he was.

Musona - 9 November 2014

Contrary to what these economists are warning, I view the current tensions in ZANU-PF as very positive. These tensions are natural following 30 years of dictatorship. Things have to change, and there is going to be uncertainty during change. We have seen what 30 years of no-change has brought us. May this transition continue.

david taylor - 9 November 2014

he was good to you not me. he is nw history brother. life goes on. I do not wish for a return to smith days. I pray that things will change for the better in my country and that in time a better leader will come along and lead this great nation reasonably.

taurai - 9 November 2014

Diibulaanyika muNdevere ndiwe mudzviti wakapedza mashona uchiti masvina ngaafe ita futi nharo dzako kana wakanganwa state of emergence yakaitwa paGukurahundi. You are bitter about your fellow countrymen only because they are not MaNdevere sewe.Idiotic and sterio-type comment to the extent of saying the liberation war was a football game is too mischievous

Chatama - 9 November 2014

@ Taurai if your emotions are not high right now due to what is happening in this country it is either you are not normal or you are benefiting from the chaos . Zimbabwe was liberated by zimbabweans particularly the civilians who fed , gave information about the situation in an area regarding the where about of the RDF , gave directions to the volunteers who were armed and even hid and cured those who were sick or injured . I personal lost 28 heads of cattle when the RDF drove the head into a national park where they were all eaten by lions and hyenas bcoz i had given food to the volunteer freedom fighters while some of these so called war vets never fired a single shot during their stay in the bush only wandering and bonking women .Please it seems you want to copy from the British on how they deal with their war volunteers be original never try to be what you do not know after all British economy can not be compared to a third world country like zim .Britain can look after its war volunteers without struggle.

Diibulaanyika - 9 November 2014

@ Chatama clearly you are not Zimbabwean and not shona you are Malawian or Mozambican you the people who troubling us in our country . Blood idiot ask any person what does Diibulaanyika mean . I am not Ndebele ndimotonga uzwide

Diibulaanyika - 9 November 2014

@Chatama we zimbabweans never look at people by their tribe that is the culture of the foreigners like this mbudzi chatama . No shona can say he does not have Ndebele blood jn his family ask any Ndebele,Tonga Venda,kalanga if they do not have shona blood in their families . What do you know about war product of a threesome bastard

Diibulaanyika - 9 November 2014

The time is now my brothers and sisters to usher in a fresh new era. It is now time for us to all join hands and galvanize the era of our soon to be..... Hon. President Grace Mugabe. Pamberi ne liberation

Jongwe - 9 November 2014

@diibulaanyika, i am trying to manage my emotions with regards to what besets our country. i do understand that we can be angry about the state in which we are. however, passing comments and making decisions under emotions can be self-harming. it is at such times that we as a people are very vulnerable such that when people like musona denigrate our values, we would tend to agree with them. years down the line, we may actually reverse back to our earlier thoughts before being influenced. but sometimes it may be a little too late. i believe that in any country, under normal circustances, national pride is key to any form of development be it economic or whatever. thats why i see the contributions of those who fought for our liberation as valuable. the problem is we are discussing this at the back-drop of economic failure and untold suffering. however, i plead that we allow reason to prevail so that we do not loose what we already have in this case INDEPENDENCE from colonial oppression.

taurai - 9 November 2014

@Taurai what we are talking about here is that our country was liberated by us all zimbabweansl the volunteers who were armed and civilians who were not armed and suffered untold treatment from from both the RDF and armed volunteers i my self lost 28 heads of cattle all driven in a national park by policemen bcoz i had given food to zipra forces i cannot mention the beatings vented on me . But what did i get nothing and it never pained me bcoz it was war and i never stopped feeding the armed volunteers bcoz i wanted a free country . Now these so called war vets have changed everything it has become them alone who liberated this country messing up everything in the process . I do not know how we can loose our independence as i have never heard of any country in the entire world which has lost independence and returned its former colonialists that is typical zanu propaganda and its rubbish obvious .

Diibulaanyika - 9 November 2014

Remember hungry people are angry people there is no more time to be gentleman here our children want jobs they were promised last year naturally our emotions can not be normal under the situation which so unless you are going to bed in a fully tacked belly .

Diibulaanyika - 9 November 2014

I do feel for you @diibulaanyika and would like to commend the respectful tone in your post. I am aware that winning the war would have been impossible without support from the common men/women in various parts of the country. in that case, it would be wrong to reward only a few (that is war vets) while the rest of the people are left-out. in my view, the government got it wrong when they did nothing even though they would have done something in a small way. I know that there are others who lost their wealth to the war effort like your cattle. that is a lot to just lose like that. however, if I understood you well, it was the rhodesian police who drove your cattle in to the lion infested forests. that is typical of what smith's people were like. indeed they were cruel to us. Just like @steve's earlier story. this is what drove a lot of people to takeup arms against the so called whites. yes we would be happy for our country to be fair for its citizens not what is happening at the moment. we need jobs. we need clean water. I hope and pray that in time not long from today things will change for us for the better. Tiitewo saana botswana. it can be done. its just that it takes true patriots to build a prosperous country.

taurai - 9 November 2014

These were by definition volunteers who knew that what they were doing they were doing it for the love of it and for free. No money was expected to change hands. The moment they got money they became more like mercenaries and lost all the claims they now claim today. They were paid off so what else do they want? In that vein no need to paid villagers who lost their livestock feeding these volunteers who claim they only ate meat which they could not supply. Paid the villagers will so mean they they will look like mercenaries.

murefu - 10 November 2014

@ Taurai well i am not a white man who has given him self a black man name who always comment here you know him . I am black man and pure Tonga and we fought Smith bcoz he was evil now we are fighting Mugabe he has become evil.

Diibulaanyika - 10 November 2014

The issues raised by Diibulaanyika and Taurai are quite interesting and pertinent in the open discourse that has been going on lately. Dictatorships entrenched in widespread corruption often result in the scenario that is confronting us in Zimbabwe today. The corruption can be traced back to 1980 and perhaps even before then. There was the Demobilization Fund, then the War Victims Compensation Fund and one-time $50k gratuities (to mostly volunteers). And of course there are monthly pensions being drawn. Perhaps with the exception of the pensions, everything else was steeped in deep corruption and abuse. In my view it is very much in order to ask: "What about all the other people who died fighting or lost their lives, caught in the cross-fire? And those who lost valuable property like Diibulaanyika? " Remember his loss was because of the support he was giving to the guerillas. What has this regime done for or said to the parents whose sons and daughters died in action? The looting of the War Victims Compensation Fund the surviving elite showed the true colors of a regime that really does not care about those who paid the ultimate sacrifice in our struggle for independence.

Ini Bate-Reke - 10 November 2014

The issues raised by Diibulaanyika and Taurai are quite interesting and pertinent in the open discourse that has been going on lately. Dictatorships entrenched in widespread corruption often result in the scenario that is confronting us in Zimbabwe today. The corruption can be traced back to 1980 and perhaps even before then. There was the Demobilization Fund, then the War Victims Compensation Fund and one-time $50k gratuities (to mostly volunteers). And of course there are monthly pensions being drawn. Perhaps with the exception of the pensions, everything else was steeped in deep corruption and abuse. In my view it is very much in order to ask: "What about all the other people who died fighting or lost their lives, caught in the cross-fire? And those who lost valuable property like Diibulaanyika? " Remember his loss was because of the support he was giving to the guerillas. What has this regime done for or said to the parents whose sons and daughters died in action? The looting of the War Victims Compensation Fund the surviving elite showed the true colors of a regime that really does not care about those who paid the ultimate sacrifice in our struggle for independence.

Ini Bate-Reke - 10 November 2014

It is so disturbing that the whole country is held at ransom by a bunch of volunteers cum mercenaries calling themselves war veterans. Most of these guys never fired a single shot during the war - just listen to the Teurai Ropa's helicopter downing exploits and you would know they are all liars. What of people born after independence? Is it their fault that they were not part of this war? We have had enough and we need ZANU PF to go as soon as yesterday!!!

Betso - 10 November 2014

It is very very true that the economy is currently in a limbo due to the political uncertainty prevailing in the country. We have the Chinese backing and trying their best to prop up Mnangagwa's faction and the west's preferential choice being Mujuru. Mugabe knows he is not wanted by either of two powerhouses and that makes him very jittery and unsettled. Mugabe seems to have convinced himself and his wife that siding with Mnangagwa's faction was a wise choice as they appear to have an upper hand, but do not be too surprised when Mujuru emerges victorious after the congress after Mugabe has made last minute changes, putting him back in the middle where he feels most comfortable at. Meanwhile though, the economy is fast approaching the doldrums, there just might be no economy to talk about in the so distant a future.

Dr Know - 10 November 2014

There is no better history than the one I saw unfold in my eyes. I was also born in Rhodesia, saw Mugabe cow Matebelaland and Nkomo with the murderous Gukurahundi. I didn't see Smith's actions I was young. But I used to buy sweets, with 10 cents, and I would get 30 to 40 sweets. That same currency is no more, and the causer/culprit is still in power, claiming to be running the country! But running it down. Mugabe will never admit to any mistake, it's not in him. Zanu will never admit to any mistakes, because they are liars. Zimbabweans have voted Mugabe out at least once, but he will never accept the people's wishes. And those that deny this, do so because either they are deranged or are part of the evil machinery. Zimbabwe is the only country with no currency in SADC or Africa. Evenr Somalia with no government since 1992, they still have a currency!

Nduna - 10 November 2014

Its all because we have internalised teachings of old which are biased and selfish. Ngoma inorira ichiti kwangu kwangu. This was just explaining the state of affairs not a meaning a channel to followed. I say ngoma haifainire kurira ichiti kwangu kwangu or else others will live to suffer

vakuruhavagonezvese - 10 November 2014

Having read all the comments above. I reiterate that those who went to war went on a voluntary basis other than the Rhodesia African Rifles who were gainfully employed as such because those of us who were teenagers in the mid 70's did not bother .Unfortunately those volunteers who died , died for nothing as there was neither compensation to them posthumously or to their families nor recognition for that matter. A lot of them lie in mass graves or in dis-used mine shafts. The only person who benefitted was non other than Robert and his newly acquired so called wife. Because 34 years have had very little to offer for the majority of the people (povo) , I am of the opinion that sooner or later in the 80's, ID Smith would have ensured an organized transfer of power to the people . However since 18 April did not bring the much vaunted independence with the accompanying economic benefits that other nations enjoy, I still regard 11th November as the official Independence day and will accordingly be celebrating it tomorrow.

Dudzai - 10 November 2014

We are being held at ransom by a bunch of volunteers who turned mercenaries who think that everything belongs to them. They can misrule as much as they want and when we complain they point to their volunteer war credentials. To me its worth nothing now. Its been used to oppress people to worse conditions than the volunteers were fighting. Despite all the gold, diamonds etc the people so poor and yet the war volunteers are now filthy rich they could go to the local shops with helicopters if they wanted. The quicker they go the better.

vanogona - 10 November 2014

11 nov ndeyei nhai dudzai? pls kindly enlighten me if you don't mind. thanks for a fair comment @in-bate-reke. we all love our country and pray that things will eventually change for the better.

taurai - 10 November 2014

@taurai, I do not agree with you that national pride must come at any cost. The reason why people celebrate independence is because they make a comparison of their economic status before as well as after. Can you really say we are better off than when we were under the Smith regime? One reader commented about the resilience of the Rhodesian dollar then. Minerals were exploited for the benefit of the country and not for a few individuals as we see today where billions of dollars worth of diamonds have been siphoned by a few connected individuals such as Obert Mpofu whilst Mnangagwa revels in owing half the country's gold resources. When John Wrathall, the then President of Rhodesia got involved in a financial scandal which was soon exposed ,there were no sacred cows he had no choice but to commit suicide. Yes, the Rhodesians may have oppressed us but they did a lot for the infra-structure building. The roads that we drive on today were all paved by that regime and have not been re-surfaced since then with the exception of a few. Their planning albeit mostly for the whites was meticulous. They even put plans in place for the construction of the likes of Kunzvi and Tokwe-Mukosi dams. These would have been constructed ages ago but for the buffon who took over the reigns of the country. The Kunzvi dam was planned to take care of water requirements as the whites realized that the black urban population was growing and there was need for expansion Contrast this to the suburbs that have sprung all over from South Pary to Damofalls where basic water and reticulation needs have not been put in place. The country and cities are rich but completely mis-run. This is where I say, Independence is meaningless unless it provides for its citizens. Further, when a country becomes colonized by people that are as evil as the Chinese then where is the difference with Ian Smith's regime. At least Rhodesian whites were born in the country

dudzai - 10 November 2014

They should take us back to our oppressors then we will liberate ourselves.Shame on these greedy volunteers.

jobless - 10 November 2014

@Dibulaanyika/Musona If fighting the war was voluntary, I find your mentioning of 28 herd lost as ridiculus. Its like presenting the country now with a war bill for compansation-which makes you no less than the veterans you intend to chide.To me, you just sound like a mecernary from the shadows asking for his paycheck. In you, I find very close comparatives with one Musona another ex-Ian Douglas like yourself who wolfishly frequents this platform, harrasingly betiding us with the ides of Ian Douglas Smith. Maybe you two need to meet, share notes , appoint a spokesman and just speak with one voice-Your Rhodesian stupidity is not just the same, it is very embarassing and way beyond comparison in the whole wide world. To think there are still right minded man in Africa fantasising about the beauty of being colinised?? Makes me want to retch. Excuse me for saying this but I can't help it. Pthu!

shame - 10 November 2014

mugabe

johnson keitshokile - 10 November 2014

@Dudzai Unlesss you have dossiers on all war conscripts , you just turn out to be a mass opinion fraudster . Truth is, war is not faught on voluntary basis It feeds on forder that it creates by forcing people to take sides to survive, revenge, mete revolutionary justice e.t.c. Not like in the movies,where u switch off the T.V when it turns nasty. People were forced by circumstances to become sworn enemies. Pliz, RAF was no voluntary outfit ;upward of 1977 Smith required forced conscription into the RAF for every male of gun-totting age-school kids on holidays, school leavers seeking college, tea boys-name it. Call that voluntary? To Smith, one was either a RAF or terrorist -no nuetrals at gun age-so many were labelled terrorists and head hunted before they skiped borders to fight. That voluntary? AND since when does economic independence from colonialists precede political self rule? There's no way economic independence was due on the eve of 18 April 1980 coz the incoming govt took almost ten years to smoothly scrap off vestiges of colonialism still in the civil service and security e.t.c. ALSO does 'economic independence' mean the same to all?. Is it the value of a country's currency as you say? The construction of roads'? Or is it the ownership of resouces, means of production and the technology? Your discourse drowns us into a pool of food -to- mouth emotions and negates the fundamentals of economics. I challenge you to come clear on this. Was Smith constructing roads,industry, Dams e.t.c infrastructure for the Africans or for the whites? Skirting the issue possits African nationalists as stupid, irrational, unthankfull idiots-even I would like to know which African was involved by Ian Smith in the planning for Tokwe-Mukosi project (because if it was for the Africans, why not consult them?)., if you thought Ian Smith's nation state was for Africans, then your thinking is hopeless

shame - 10 November 2014

@shame you seem to make an assumption that all people who went to Mozambique, Botswana and Zambia did so because they had grievances. Some top guns who are now Ministers went there because of criminal deeds. One owed a lot of money that he had extorted from companies , went to Mozambique , came back carried on using his nom de guerre whilst another one who was employed at a fertilizer company in Msasa swindled his employers , was arrested and escaped from the police and headed for Mozambique. Criminals who were being sought used these countries for refuge. I agree with all those who regard those people that crossed the border as volunteers . Yes indeed Smith started conscripting males over 18 years of age providing you were gainfully employed and was benefitting from the Rhodesian economy hence people like Chiyangwa finding themselves in the Reserve Police. However at that juncture , which was not in 1977 but 1979, a transitional government was already in place led by Bishop Abel Muzorewa. Mugabe and Nkomo did not participate because they thought they could shoot their way into Salisbury and unfortunately for them diplomacy was already underway thereby forcing them to attnd the Lancaster House conference. People that were around then make comparisons of their lives vis a vis today and make their judgements. Independence is not independence when only a few enjoy its benefits , It is mind boggling when you talk of independence being limked to ownership of resources when it is crystal clear that only a handful of people own and enjoy those resources. The whites invested the wealth from resources in Rhodesia, or Zimbabwe -Rhodesia because that was home to them hence the developments that dudzai talked about. Your compatriots on the other hand have mortgaged the country to the Chinese and lately to the Russians for shekels which they will no doubt enjoy by themselves What is in it for the masses?

famagusta - 10 November 2014

guys your comments put together make a whole. there were extreme negatives on the smith side and there are regretable developments on our current government's as well. what is important is to look on both sides of the coin without bais like the likes of musona. however the bottom line is that we are feeling too much pain in our homeland. it would help if our leaders knew that all these comments are a product of suffering. its a wish that things changed for better so that we can work together for the development of our country.

taurai - 10 November 2014

@dudzai, i respect your argument. to be honest with you, i am short of words and ideas to fully reply to the points you made. i love my country just as much as you do or else you would not have taken this effort to clarify your argument. the problem is our leaders have not help either. the past 15 yrs have caused people tio regret thier earlier support - fighting the colonisers. the good thing is we now have fora like this one where we can air our viewpoints hoping that someone influential may read and act on these noble requests. we pray for a properous country. prosperity starts with true patriotism. pratritism bocomes sensible when people demonstrate interest and respect for their societies not driving around european cars in holed roads like we are seeing today. i am sorry dudzai i don't have anything positive to offer in this post except that HOPE for a better zim is all i can dream about.

taurai - 10 November 2014

I man will fight white oppression. I man will fight black oppression. The fact that Mugabe is black doesn't make him a lesser evil devil .the fact that the economy was preforming during Smith's colonialism doesn't make him a saint. Both Mugabe and Smith are/were evil and should be condemned in the strictest sense.

Jah Son - 11 November 2014

@shame seems you are so delinquent with the English dialect but seems that's just that there is to it; inoperable verbalism. A wrong is a wrong Yahweh. Being evil is not a relative term, in Shona we say "hakuna gehena riri nani" . I find it very deplorable to kill one's own kin and folk under the guise of empowering the masses. @dudzai you very useful points there. we cant accept the ancient line of thinking when people were judged on race/colour/tribe/gender

Jah Son - 11 November 2014

@dudzai@taurai@fumagusta. Thank you all guys for pontificating what is right . Evil is evil period although one must make a comparison based on the extent. I have found Mugabe to be the epitome of the worst evil ever perpetrated perhaps along the same vein as Adolf Hitler (similarity in kandebvu) If one was to look at the number of peacetime political killings Mugabe rates number 1. Smith only killed those he deemed terrorists most of whom were volunteers whilst Mugabe killed povo who were wrongly accused of being sell-outs because these people were progressive in their lives Mugabe's ruthlessness includes even killing his own, vana Chindori, the list is long. Now he is at it again planning more bloodshed so that his small house can ascend on the throne. Smith was descent enough not to create a dynasty and that is why today we are celebrating 11th November when real Independence was achieved until we liberate ourselves again.

rudi - 11 November 2014

Chaos in any setting is catastrophic. If peace is expensive violence is never cheap at all. Think, think and revise your actions fellow Zimbos

liberty shungu - 13 November 2014

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