Zanu PF rules out party split

HARARE - President Robert Mugabe’s Zanu PF has ruled out the possibility of the party splitting as a result of the current factional strife.

Party spokesperson Rugare Gumbo was responding to assertions by Mugabe’s nephew, Patrick Zhuwao, who raised the spectre of a palace coup when he said the escalating factional fights in the ruling party could result in fissures that could split Zanu PF ahead of the 2018 elections.

Gumbo, a veteran nationalist, said predicting a palace coup or a split in Zanu PF was a mere fallacy.

“I do not think that the party will split or experience a coup,” he told the Daily News.

“I think that is far-fetched. In Zanu PF we have a very strong ideological position that unites us.” The 51-year-old party has been plagued by factional fights that have weakened it as a political force.

Zhuwao had warned that factional conflict and strife in his party could escalate to levels that could cause fissures in the organisation and that, in turn, could cause ruptures.

He said this would lead to the party failing to operate effectively and putting it in danger of breaking up.

“In 2008, factionalism within Zanu PF led to the emergence of Simba Makoni as one of the presidential contestants,” Zhuwao said.

A former Zanu PF politburo member, Simba Makoni garnered eight percent of the vote in the March 2008 presidential election soon after walking out of Zanu PF.

He later formed his Mavambo/Kusile/Dawn party which entered an electoral pact with Morgan Tsvangirai’s MDC ahead of last year’s election.

“As could be seen from the emergence of the Mavambo group, factional operations are usually conducted in secret and within minimal public scrutiny. This cloak of secrecy unfortunately leads to widespread incidences of unethical behaviour,” said Zhuwao.

Although Zanu PF is currently split along two political camps, one reportedly led by Vice President Joice Mujuru and the other by Justice minister Emerson Mnangagwa, Gumbo said everyone was united by history and political persuasion.

“Anyone who decides to walk away from Zanu PF or engage in a palace coup would have sacrificed himself to the dogs,” Gumbo said.

“The issue at the present moment is to get ourselves in order, and as a party we do not foresee anything like that.”

Amid growing concerns from opposition parties that Zanu PF was failing to deal with pressing economic challenges and was instead focusing on internal power struggles, Gumbo said it was time that the ruling party placed emphasis on extricating the country from the jaws of poverty.

“We need to focus on economic revival and we should not be distracted by imagined coups,” he said.

“Apart from (the) wrangles within political parties, Zimbabwe is largely peaceful.”

Comments (60)

A split is far fetched. Remember the glue thts keeping these reprobates together aren't principles but sekuru's patronage system which has made the rodents super-rich overnight, So any attempt to break away from this entrenched cronyism will see the supposed rebels also walking away without the usual benefits of the patronage system; farms, cars, gvt positions, impunity, "empowerment", etc, etc, and surely no one among them is ready to sacrifice these benefits for principles. Look at the story of Jonso; after being rubbished by the master reprobate he still chose to stick it in there and submit. Iyezvino aakuita kunge asiko. kwanzi its very cold out there.

No split - 18 September 2014

Fungi Kwaramba why do you always punctuate your reports with fawning accolades? You wrote, “Gumbo, a veteran nationalist…”. As far as I know Gumbo is just another politician but to say veteran nationalist is not true. Also to say nationalist is a misnomer. Before the whites came in 1890 there was no nation-state. Different tribes lived in different areas and did not know each other and only knew each other after the whites forced them into one nation-state called Southern Rhodesia. The Karanga lived separately from the Zezuru, separately from the Ndebele, separately from the Manyika, separately from the Kore kore, separately from the Kalanga, Separately from the Ndau, separately from the Tonga. The Karanga did not know the Korekore. The Korekorre did not know the existence of the Ndebele, who incidentally came to the now south west from Zululand around 1830. In other words, without the whites there would be no nation-state to talk about. Gumbo is a plastic nationalist, made by the British colonisers. Whites paid Gumbo's college fees to study in the USA. You people are supposed to report the true facts not pander to con politicians' whims. I defy you to say what I have stated is not accurate and what your version is.

Musona - 18 September 2014

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GALLERYCARTRIDGES - 18 September 2014

VaMusona, the existance of national states born out of the partition of Africa and subsiquent liberation struggles is a reality we have to live with for coming decades if not centuries. You cannot change historical facts and defy common reasoning. Much as the United Nations is a reality, so are the individual nations which make up that men-made body.

selele - 18 September 2014

"Before the whites came in 1890 there was no nation-state. Different tribes lived in different areas and did not know each other and only knew each other after the whites forced them into one nation-state called Southern Rhodesia." Kindly detect the false authority in Musona the Rhodesian. If Musona is a true historian, never mind Zimbabwean, he should know better. The Dzimbahwe nation state was founded 600 years Anno Domini, at Mapungubwe (Present Day RSA Limpopo Province) just across Shashe River (Limpopo). 1100 yrs Anno Domini the capital moved to Masvingo. Dzimbahwe's then cities included GZR (capital), Khami (commercial capital), Nharetare (nalatale military outpost, Dhlodhlo), Matonjeni (Religious citadel), Sena (Indian Sea Port city) and so many towns all over the countryside between Shashe , Zambezi,and the sea. The Dzimbahwe State was Ruled by various kings in tot or split depending on social upheavals of the day including Mutapa. Note the founding Mbire people were a Swahili clan that migrated from central Africa- lakes Tanganyika and Victoria regions. Two major Mbire tribes-Torwas and Rozvis founded the Mutapa Kingdom commonly from homogeneous name Karanga. Zezuru, Karanga, Korekore, nambiya, Buja, Nyika, Chikunda, Nyanja, Chewa, Kalanga, Venda, are descendent from one people and from 600 Ad to 1826, it was so.

Shame - 18 September 2014

musona has become a psychopath. pension yakadyiwa neinflation in 2008 and thats why he has become so schizophrenic.

ZANU CHIWORORO - 18 September 2014

(cont) One commonality, the stone masonry cities with contiouosly burning fires throughout the kingdom from Okavango to Nambula. Then southern migrants called Matebele joined in 1826, and used to forage north north as far afield as Sekemutema-check Chaminuka mufemberi story. In short, these tribes were one and knew each other because the founding fathers were one, and I have stronger reasons to suspect that even the Zulu are one time citizens of the 6th century Dzimbabwe state of Mapungubwe because the lingua dicta is very similar to Dzimbahwe lingiua hence there is very little reason to indicate the Matebele are entirely an unrelated Dzimbahwe tribe.They came back home to Dzimbahwe after long years in KwaZulu-thanx to the famous Mkuze infant. Please cross check these original Zulu words " pansi"," Ndlela" "mlandele", "Sezulu" if you doubt the Dzimbahwe equivalents "'pasi" "Nzira" "muronde", Zezuru", surely you need your head to be re-examined. To be honest with you Musona, your Rhodesian stupidity is retarding. A true shame.

Shame - 18 September 2014

@Shame. I would like to thank you very much for the enlightenment. I totally agree with you. Musona went off the rails when he tried to peddle and bulldoze his lie that Great Zimbabwe was built by Arabians and that there was no state before the whites came, that is a total lie. The similarities between the languages speak volumes that these are the same people and they all came from one group-the Bantu. Musona seems to conveniently forget that white people were also once a primitive people living in villages scatterd across highlands of Scotland to the Viking lands of the Scandinavians.

Dr Know - 18 September 2014

A house divided against itself is bound to fall vaGumbo

ZIM - 18 September 2014

People should give straight answers to simple questions. BEFORE 1890 THERE WAS NO NATION-STATE. There has been a lot of waffling about Mapungubwe, Dzimbabwe blah blah blah. What was the name of the nation-state before 1890? Give me the name instead of waffling. Where the Ndebeles part of this nation-state? The Ndebeles came from Zululand around 1830. Where were the borders of this nation-state which we do not know? The reason why African countries have stuck to white colonial borders is because they had no borders -they did not know what borders were. A nation-state has borders as we all now know. There exists no circumstantial evidence that the local Zezuru or Karanga build the Zimbabwe Ruins. Locals were not able to build such complex structures as Zimbabwe Ruins. South Eastern Africa is littered with structures like Zimbabwe Ruins which were built by the Arabs as trading posts for slaves. The Zezuru or Kore kore were not the original inhabitants of this land - the Bushmen were - incontrovertible evidence - Rock paintings all around the country. Black people had no means of transport. It took them ages to move from one place to the other. Predatory wild animals were also a hindrance to people movement. Most of the local practices were imported from the Arab countries by the Arab slave traders. Maize was imported from India by Indian slave traders - it's original name is Indian corn. Those who have no facts always resort to “Rhodesian”. I was born a Southern Rhodesian, then in 1965 I was a Rhodesian until June 1979 when I became a Zimbabwe-Rhodesian until December 1979 when I reverted back to Rhodesian and then in April 1980 I change to Zimbabwean. Similarity of languages does not in any way denote that people are of the same nation-state. The Ndebele language is similar to the Zulu language but Ndebeles are Zimbabweans and Zulus are S African.

Musona - 18 September 2014

One sentence should read, “Were the Ndebeles part of this nation-state?”

Musona - 18 September 2014

From Wikileaks -------------------------- NO SHONA CULTURAL IDENTITY -------------------------13 January 2010 Indian Ambassador Ashok Venkatesan described Mugabe and the dominant Shona of Zimbabwe as transplants to this land, like the jacaranda tree, an import from South America that has become pervasive - similar to kudzu and armadillos in the southern United States. They have no real traditional cultural roots. He also said that the people here, like the tree, are extremely quiescent and undemanding. He said he wonders if Mugabe ever gives any consideration to his legacy, and whether or not he Qgives any consideration to his legacy, and whether or not he wants what is best for the country. But, he added, the lack of cultural roots causes some irrational behaviour; with many in ZANU-PF saying that they are the bright jewels of the region and should be respected for it - "the most beautiful bride at the wedding," apparently unaware of how outsiders view them. Venkatesan noted that Zimbabweans don't even know the true origins of the ruins at the Great Zimbabwe, which were here when the Shona entered from East Africa and settled on land that was essentially vacant. An interesting twist on ZANU-PF's view of truth; there have been some articles claiming that the ruins were built by Mugabe's ancestors - with total disregard to the fact that most of the people here know it to be a blatant falsehood. END COMMENT

Musona - 18 September 2014

“They came back home to Dzimbahwe after long years in KwaZulu-thanx to the famous Mkuze infant“ - fairy tale. Who was recording these historical facts when nobody could read or write at the time? How did that person(s) who recorded the history travel from Zambezi to Limpopo? The name “Zimbabwe” is an anglicised corruption of Zimbaremabwe (house made of stones). Whites could not pronounce “Zimbaremabwe” and shortened it into “Zimbabwe”. Before 1890 these Ruins had no name. It was the whites who came up with the name “Zimbabwe”. There was no such thing as Dzimbahwe. That is a later day invention to claim ownership - making up history s you go along. Next you people are going to tell us Kariba Dam was build by Kagubi whom you call Kaguvi. What instruments did the locals use to shape the stones at Zimbabwe Ruins? Where did they get the equipment? Arabs had the equipment and the work was carried out by their slaves. There are people in Saudi Arabia with roots in east and central Africa who have different features to all other Arabs who were taken there as slaves.

Musona - 18 September 2014

Most so-called pan-Africanists in Zimbabwe tie themselves in knots lying about history instead of simply saying thanks to the advanced whites for the priceless advancement, maybe it was time to try our luck in running the state the whites had created for us. What is wrong with that? There are attempts to try and make it look like there was a nation-state which was very very advanced when this is not the case - the people were still mired in the Stone Age. I think it is inferiority complex. How anyone can think the land was advanced when there was no single school or single industry is a mystery to me. I am very much pro-colonialism. I think what the colonialists did was priceless. If there was any suffering then it was a small price to pay for the advancement we got. I am a realist. Politicians lambaste colonialism just to get into power but deep down they know it was priceless other wise they would not be where they are now.

Musona - 18 September 2014

Well done Musona, you have got it spot on. It's a fact that our country Zimbabwe was colonised as far back as 1000 years B.C. by the Arabs. In fact all the gold and treasures acquired by Queen of Sheba for King Solomon ( in 900 B.C. ) came from our lands. At that time our land was called Havilah or some say Ophir. The Arabs themselves confirm that they built Zimbabwe ruins first phase with the Bushmen as labour, then the second phase with Hottentot labour and only much later was Bantu labour used on the third phase. The Balemba or Valemba people who populate the Masvingo/ Zimbabwe ruins area have been DNA tested and are 50% semetic arab blood. Much of our local language comes from the Arab world . Some examples being Murungu, Budza, Tsoro even the dreaded " K " word was first used in the year 1154 AD by an Arab called El Edrisi and not by the British whites as we are lead to believe. Huku ( Indian ) the name Zambezi is also of Indian origin. The rivers Mazoe and Sabie are also a throw back from the Arabs. I believe all Zimbabweans need to understand Zimbabwe's history beyond the colonial and Munumutapa days. The truth needs to be understood for what it is and not for what some politicians ( nationalists ) would like us to believe.

ronaldos - 18 September 2014

Well done Musona, you have got it spot on. It's a fact that our country Zimbabwe was colonised as far back as 1000 years B.C. by the Arabs. In fact all the gold and treasures acquired by Queen of Sheba for King Solomon ( in 900 B.C. ) came from our lands. At that time our land was called Havilah or some say Ophir. The Arabs themselves confirm that they built Zimbabwe ruins first phase with the Bushmen as labour, then the second phase with Hottentot labour and only much later was Bantu labour used on the third phase. The Balemba or Valemba people who populate the Masvingo/ Zimbabwe ruins area have been DNA tested and are 50% semetic arab blood. Much of our local language comes from the Arab world . Some examples being Murungu, Budza, Tsoro even the dreaded " K " word was first used in the year 1154 AD by an Arab called El Edrisi and not by the British whites as we are lead to believe. Huku ( Indian ) the name Zambezi is also of Indian origin. The rivers Mazoe and Sabie are also a throw back from the Arabs. I believe all Zimbabweans need to understand Zimbabwe's history beyond the colonial and Munumutapa days. The truth needs to be understood for what it is and not for what some politicians ( nationalists ) would like us to believe. Some books to get and read to start with : The Arab builders of Zimbabwe, The Zimbabwe cavalcade, The three stages of history in Rhodesia ( Zimbabwe ), The ancient gold fields of Africa, The gold of Ophir, The land of Ophir, and our very own book written by S.I.G. Mudenga - A political history of Munumutapa. According to the Bantu historian Molema ( who is a Bantu himself ) like us confirms that we Bantu are all colonizers and only the original aboriginal Bushmen can claim that this land of Zimbabwe is theirs. Yes times have changed so why cant we all just be Zimbabweans first and foremost regardless of our past history. If you hold a Zimbabwean Passport then you should be Zimbabwean full stop.

ronaldos - 18 September 2014

Thanks Editor.

ronaldos - 18 September 2014

To hell with you dailynews or is it dailyshit, Pres Mugabe does not own ZANU PF, its ours together with him as the leader. I say so becoz the opening line of your article reads " Pres Mugabe's ZANU PF.

Ndugu - 18 September 2014

I flatly refuse to buy the hogwash about Arabs having built Great Zimbabwe. There is Mapungubwe, Nalatalie, Dhlodhlo, Khami and even smaller ruins like Bonsor ruins just outside Shurugwi. Why would these Arabs suddenly develop such building skills in Southern Africa and not in their original lands? May you please give us an example with such architecture at the slave ports of Sofala, Mombasa and Dar es Salaam or anywhere nearby. The Arabs were traders just as were the Chinese, they did not have the time to settle in what was to them a hostile environment. They were just after the gold and ivory and off they would go. The Europeans and the Arabs just like us were also at one time a backward people and through trade and learning from other people in the different parts of the world, we all improved. I will agree Africans had a whole more to gain in terms of improvement, not building skills. The artifacts, the artwork and the craftsmanship found at all these ruins are all related to the Shona people.

Dr Know - 19 September 2014

Musona, you are wasting your time trying to tame a buffalo like an ox. These ZANU PF blind followers think their party is Zimbabwe&so everything was just bad before ZANU PF became Zim's gvt. However,it is very true that colonialism had its positives for blacks as well.The late Michael Mawema, a modern nationalist, named this country Zimbabwe long after colonialism & yet colonialism defined the boundaries of Zimbabwe.It is most unfortunate that wrong history is being taught in our schools. Splits only happen in MDC T,not in ZANU PF as no one is prepared to leave the gravy train.

DONGAWATONGA - 19 September 2014

Musona, you are wasting your time trying to tame a buffalo like an ox. These ZANU PF blind followers think their party is Zimbabwe&so everything was just bad before ZANU PF became Zim's gvt. However,it is very true that colonialism had its positives for blacks as well.The late Michael Mawema, a modern nationalist, named this country Zimbabwe long after colonialism & yet colonialism defined the boundaries of Zimbabwe.It is most unfortunate that wrong history is being taught in our schools. Splits only happen in MDC T,not in ZANU PF as no one is prepared to leave the gravy train.

DONGAWATONGA - 19 September 2014

Musona, you are wasting your time trying to tame a buffalo like an ox. These ZANU PF blind followers think their party is Zimbabwe&so everything was just bad before ZANU PF became Zim's gvt. However,it is very true that colonialism had its positives for blacks as well.The late Michael Mawema, a modern nationalist, named this country Zimbabwe long after colonialism & yet colonialism defined the boundaries of Zimbabwe.It is most unfortunate that wrong history is being taught in our schools. Splits only happen in MDC T,not in ZANU PF as no one is prepared to leave the gravy train.

DONGAWATONGA - 19 September 2014

Musona, you are wasting your time trying to tame a buffalo like an ox. These ZANU PF blind followers think their party is Zimbabwe&so everything was just bad before ZANU PF became Zim's gvt. However,it is very true that colonialism had its positives for blacks as well.The late Michael Mawema, a modern nationalist, named this country Zimbabwe long after colonialism & yet colonialism defined the boundaries of Zimbabwe.It is most unfortunate that wrong history is being taught in our schools. Splits only happen in MDC T,not in ZANU PF as no one is prepared to leave the gravy train.

DONGAWATONGA - 19 September 2014

Musona I take my hat off to you for the fact that you state very stubborn facts which are unpalatable to those self seeking unenlightened people who not only twist them but also invent history to suit their egos .If indeed the Ruins were built by locals, the question is why did they also not construct their houses in a similar fashion and continue with the architectural pattern which was obviously superior to pole and dagga structures. Why do we only have a few of those ruins remnants? Did people all of a sudden retrogress from building well articulated structures which bore a lot of architectural prowess to building pole and dagga nuts which characterized the dwellings of Africans at the advent of the Pioneer Column. The problem is history has been distorted to suit individual whims. Even the history of the Rhodesian war has been distorted to give the impression that the Zanu/Zipra combatants shot their way into Salisbury. We know the true facts as we were there when history was being made. The diplomatic initiative which involved Henry Kissinger, John Vorster and other people, led to the Lancaster House conference. and subsequent cessation of hostilities.Truth and facts are very stubborn keep educating them Musona.

rudolph - 19 September 2014

Have you heard of the white Rhodesian 1970"s saying "We made Rhodesia Great, they made Zimbabwe Ruins" How totally relevant even though the actual ruins were built by Arabs.

rudolph - 19 September 2014

@Dr know - Arab artefacts are no different from artefacts found at Zimbabwe ruins. Are you saying the Zezuru went to Mapungubwe too and built Mapungubwe? Nonsense. The Zezuru had no skills or the need to build such a structure as Zimbabwe ruins, Arabs had a reason - a slave trading centre. Your question is meaningless “Why would these Arabs suddenly develop such building skills in Southern Africa and not in their original lands?” And that “…they did not have the time to settle in what was to them a hostile environment”. Backward is a relative term. The Europeans and Arabs were centuries ahead of black Africans for sure Which is why I say blacks were backward as compared to Arabs and Europeans. While whites were building aeroplanes blacks were hunting, still in the Stone Age. You suffer from inferiority complex. Denial is your friend. Zimbabwe Ruins were built by the Arab slave traders. Blacks could only build rondavels or cob mud huts not such a complex structure.

Musona - 19 September 2014

The Arabs built such complex structures just to for the slave trade??? I would laugh were it not so pathetic. All those fancy designs just for the purpose of buying and shipping off slaves, come on, be serious. Care to inform us what the conical tower at Great Zimbabwe symbolises in slave trade, the wall patterns, the Great enclosure, the village on the foot of the hill? Africans were backward compared to Europeans and Arabs yes, but that does not mean they were primates. Such stone walls were for the ruling class and that is why the ordinary pole and dagga huts were the common structure for everyday people. Even in Europe where they had beautiful palaces for Kings, you would not expect to find palaces dotted all over England,Scotland, Ireland, Scandinavia and elsewhere for the common man. Why do you look at yourself and feel so inferior?

Dr Know - 19 September 2014

@Musona.For your own information, Zezurus are only a group of people that speak a dialect of the original Rozvi Shona language which is now known as Karanga.

Dr Know - 19 September 2014

@Musona, Ronaldos, Radolfs Genesis 1-2 says the land of Havilar refers not to Africa but the middle east; 2 Sam indicates the queen of Sheba was not Arabic, but Cushite (Ethiopian-therefor black) so spare us these lies. Founders of the Dzimbahwe nation state migrated from central Africa together with their religion of Mwali (Mwari) worship. The design of the Masvingo ruins is symbolic of religion as the conic tower was the initial sanctuary for high priests to commune with Mwali before a seperate religious city -Matonjeni was assigned divine matters with the present day Kalanga and Venda concecrated as high priest tribes-the Leviticals of Dzimbahwe. The Arabs are Shemites, Bantus are Hamites,the DNA doesn't match.Surely if there was Arab construction works, cross-polination with bantu beauties was inevitable and cross breed Bantu-Arab colourds could be residual evidence today.

shame - 19 September 2014

(cont) To say Arabs built Dzimbahwe is sheer nonsense. The same Rhodesian uncles of Musona once tried to claim the Scandinavian whites, or any earlier emigrant superior race but the Bantu built Dzimbahwe ruins but failed so they prefer sticking to the Arab bulshit. Their objective was to potray bantus as retrogressive retarded and backward to pave way for smooth colonialism and partitioning of Bantustan (Africa???). You can imagine their shock when they saw such fine masonry work unparalled anywhere in the www. Pls take note, even in Europe today when you drybond stone structurs, its called the "Zimbabwe bond"-you can't hate both the wizard and his medice, you always acknowledge one of them. So sorry-self very very black Musona, like the rest of his very very white kin labours to tell us there were no schools before the whites came here just as some halfwits labour to explain the stone masonry could not have been done by bantu hands. Nonsense. Concentrate stupidity. Thats what. To believe this stonework is at Dzimbahwe alone is foolish, an indication people can be Romans but do not know Rome. Walk the countryside folks, you will see plenty of this fine stone masonry work everywhere-Buhera (Vahera), Mbire-Njanja, Nyanga, Hwange, Matonjeni, Shashe, mapungubwe,Makonde, Kanyemba,Tete, Gaza, manica up to Sena by the sea-and please be sensible too, dont look for it in the plains where there are not rocks. Paying a visit to the National Museums for a map and a tour guide first is divine wisdom, then come back to this fora for further enlightenment.

shame - 19 September 2014

@Dr know - Where do you get the idea the Arabs who built Zimbabwe Ruins just wanted to trade with slaves ONLY and not make the place their home? Did the colonialists not build Kariba Dam and the skyscrapers you see in town now? Are they still occupying these skyscrapers? No. When people argue about historical events there is a tendency to mix up the time or times. Before the whites came there was no means of transport and the land was full of predatory wild animals. People were in the Stone Age, that is, they were using primitive tools like wooden hoes, metal ones were hard to get. There was some skill involved in building the Zimbabwe Ruins. Locals did not have those skills. Arab slave traders had these skills obtained back home in the Arab countries which were centuries ahead in terms of development. The stones used on Zimbabwe Ruins are well shaped by people with technical skills not just ordinary unskilled villagers - people with some mathematical knowledge. The other thing is that the land was very thinly populated. When the whites estimated the population in 1904 inside the borders they had created there were only around 300 000 people scattered in villages, not in one place. The villagers had no single King or Chief. Different tribes did not know each other - they had no means of transport to travel long distances. The Karanga had their village and chief(s), the Manyika had their own village and chief(s), the Tonga had their own village and chief(s), the Ndebele had their own village and chief Lobengula who had no connection whatsoever with Zimbabwe Ruins.

Musona - 19 September 2014

Musona I follow your comments on this website and The Herald's. Very fascinating and controversial I must say. Sometimes you are so spot on on matters and very articulate, sometimes i must say - you are so so Musona. Your views are racists and apologetic. I want to believe you are an educated old man - very learned at that. Can you please give us a very brief resume for this Musona guy. Age, Highest Qualification and Race. I think this information will give us a special context wrt your take on social matters. Its only fair. We know Mugabe and what he stands for. when he says things we can hazard his motives. I am for diversity in debates but some of your arguments are hectic and too extreme. Do you mind giving us an insight into Musona? You dont need to give away your identity while u are at it - smthing like I am over 75, PhD history and white will suffice.

Sabhuku - 19 September 2014

@shame - waffling all the way. Incoherent nonsense. Who recorded what you are saying? My facts are based on the colonialist missionaries who crisscrossed the continent from the 1492 onwards and the Portuguese who came to Africa after 1492 and settled in Mozambique. Where were the SCHOOLS in this land now called Zimbabwe before 1890 - just name one school before 1890. Where were the industries? I have got picture of Salisbury in 1902 with nothing but small grass thatched hotels built by the whites.

Musona - 19 September 2014

Musona, let me be fair, by giving you my brief profile. i am 40sh, not very educated and i hate Zanu and equally so, MDC. I think Welshman Ncube would make a better President for Zimbabwe. I am Shona and I think solutions for Zim's problems will only come from within Zimbabwe. Russians, Chinese Americans even British people will only come to invest with the primary objective of profiteering off our resources - natural and human. Oh, I am black and proud of it.

Sabhuku - 19 September 2014

@Sabhuku - it would help if you would say why you think my views are racist. Stating that there was no single school or single industry before 1890 is not racist but a fact. And that it was the whites who introduced Schools and industries is not racist but a fact. I would appreciate if you can tell me where the schools were before 1890 or where the factories. Or where the borders were. You just can't jump on the racism bandwagon without substantiating your accusation. I always give my reasons for the things I say. And also stating that whites had big tracts of land because they had the unique commercial farming skills is not racist. Before 1890 blacks only used shared back-breaking hand-hoes to till the land. How much can you till with a BADZA? No more than an 18-yard area of a football field. It was the whites who brought the GEJO (ox-drawn plough). There was no company to manufacture fertiliser, or ox-drawn ploughs or hosepipes or irrigation pipes. There were no weather forecasts before 1890. Where is the racism here. Are you not aware of these facts?

Musona - 19 September 2014

Musona wandituka ndazvinzwa. Maybe i started it - i take it on the chin like a man. Your arguments are brilliant - some of them - or let me say those I agree with - and that is most of them. You sound very educated - and i mean it without jest or scorn - and you are pedantic. I like it when you post a sentence to correct a grammar mistake or something. it is a mark of a great scholar that they do not necessarily have to conform and you dont. So you have the makings of a great scholar. My problem which i struggle with is, when you attack your own and your belittle your history, how do you empower your children or grand children to stand tall and take on the world as equals with anyone from anywhere? Or is this one of the dilemnas of being a scholar of your mould? munogona kundi answawo here musingandituke?

sabhuku - 19 September 2014

@Sabhuku - can I also add that as far as I could see there was no serious racial discrimination during white rule. Everything was based on merit. Not all whites were angels, of course, but by and large, things were fine. Some of the examples given by many people of racism are laughable. Just because whites were rich does not mean that is racism. I did not correct the grammar - I correct facts only.

Musona - 19 September 2014

Musona, I am puttting this to you. Please let the scholar in you answer this question: Has Zimbabwe failed because it is run by black people or is it failing because we have bad leaders, njee? your belittle your history - take out first your You can delete

Sabhuku - 19 September 2014

One sentence should read, “Were the Ndebeles part of this nation-state?” Musona - 18 September 2014 There! Pedantic. It's not a bad thing, Musona!!

Sabhuku - 19 September 2014

@Sabhuku - I do not attack my own, I try and put the record straight. You do not empower your children or grandchildren by telling them lies. I detest lies. If whites were advanced than blacks in 1890 then I find no reason to say otherwise. How can you have a nation of lies? Where are the morals? Why have courts or churches when all people do is lie? The reason why we have problems in Zimbabwe right now is down to lies. There are only two races on this planet - the intelligent and the stupid.

Musona - 19 September 2014

@Musona. Now I see why you are so misinformed. Everything that comes out of a white man's mouth to you is the bible holding truth, how can you totally rely on the information written by the Portuguese and take that as the Gospel truth? When they recorded that the Africans they found here were barbaric, worshiped the evil and were cannibals,do you believe that? The early settlers would send any information, most of which not even true to please their Queen and get justification to occupy the rich lands of Africa.

Dr Know - 19 September 2014

@Ronaldos and Musona Whilst we respect your rights to pat each other's backs and give kudos to each other's ignorance, why not do it privately than expose us to lies and ignorance?. African history has been hereditary, passed on to generations through folklore;that is our true tradition-but to forward whiteman's literature as the truth that supercedes African traditions is stupid.I can see your colonial hangover ability to read is sin number 1-now you believe anything as long as it is writen somewhere and you have the temerity to rise up to the pulpit and preach that which you read?Whiteman's bluff on Africa? And your half brother Musona, whats wrong with him? He doesn't even know the Zezuru and Korekore are originally Karanga descendents just like the Nambiya , Kalanga, Nyika, and Venda,yet he claims to be born in the 1960s? So old of bones yet so juvenile of mind. Musona, here is evidence the Zezuru and Korekore tie down to Dzimbabwe stone masonry. They all worship Mwari/Musikavanhu, God of Dzimbahwe who was ministered at Great Zimbabwe, then Matonjeni by the Dzimbahwe highpriests. Every year, at the sign of the rain season coming, they all trooped to Matonjeni from all over the kingdom to ask Mwari for good rains. In Makonde for example ther was famous rainmaker 'Goronga' who rallied them all from Mapondera, Dendera, Chipuriro, Chivi, Shashe Nyangombe to Njanja for rain making cceremonies. Hello! You wouldn't know thiat of course Romanless Romans would you?Further, there are stone masonry ruins in the Zezuru -Korekore regions, why not cross-check.You think the Arabs also made them up for them?

shame - 19 September 2014

Do you even know what Zezuru means? Originally, it was not even a tribe or dialect, but a geographical location of Karangas living on the highveld areas . Zezuru is derivative of 'Sezulu' meaning "On high' does that now connect becoz even the original Zulu will be amazed how these words float all over southern Africa? Any shona speaker will tell you that 'mukaranga' means shona girl and 'mukorore' means 'boy'. Mukore-kore-is derivative of 'mukorore' implying masculinity. Kore-kore evolved after the breakdown of Munhumutapa kingdom (that was the name of the nation state Musona) and the northern half -Tete to Nampula sought self rule as 'boys'. To then say this is self-made political gerrymandering-isn't it rather comic when we are faced with truth that lives by us like daily bread? To querry what tools the Bantus had to hew these fine stones? Just how historically bright are you two? Has it ever occured to you that ancient civilisation, including writing started right here in Africa and the earliest forms of homo sapiens are not in Uerope but Africa? And you want to ask about stone hewing tools? Why not explain first those bushman's paintings you refered to: what ink does your whitemnan's books say was used to mark those rocks-and why can't your leashahndlers make some for your famously -white introduced schools? Stupid we are isn't it You agre now? That what we have here is Twiddledee and Twiddledum masquareding as professors of Bantu history?

shame - 19 September 2014

I am in stitches. Musona, I am sure you can take anyone in a debate, even Mugabe himself - if you have not already done so. And yes, you cannot build a nation on lies. I am out of here! Maybe you really are not racist. I guess sometimes we just dont want to face facts for the failings they will reveal in us.

Sabhuku - 19 September 2014

@Shame. Where have you been all along when Musona was blasting us with his half truths and always taking us back to his own Smith's Rhodesia, telling us how wonderful life was for the black man when he was being treated as a second class citizen in his own motherland. I hate Smith's regime just as I hate Mugabe's, they are both racists. What we long and wish for is a government that respects the will of the people regardless of whether they are Black, White, Asian, Colored, Ndebele, Shona or Tswana.

Dr Know - 19 September 2014

@Dr know - Whites taught us to read. I used to sit down with my own grandfather who witnessed the arrival of the whites. The good thing is he was not a liar. I take after him. He told me they refused to work for the whites initially, and that they would rather spend time drinking beer. They refused to go to church or to the hospital. Schools, hospitals, and working in factories was a new phenomenon/new culture which they were not used to. He did not know anything about Zimbabwe Ruins and the only people he knew were those in their village. I am also intelligent enough to verify things by myself. Things written down by whites are verifiable - you can see the HISTORICAL PICTURES as well. The colonialists could not afford to lie because the church missionaries were there to keep an eye and besides the people back in England would have been horrified to be told their people were subjecting the blacks to ill-treatment. I will tell you why whites said blacks were barbaric back then. When all the white soldiers and went to the Boer war in Transvaal in 1890s the black slaughtered white families left behind hence the hanging of Nyanda whom people call Nehanda and Kagubi. The Ndebeles also rebelled and killed their families. What do you think blacks worshipped before 1890? Don't you know blacks worshipped “mudzimu”. I am not aware of whites calling blacks cannibals. What I know is that whites stopped the primitive practice by blacks of killing twins, arranged marriages for young girls, killing of suspected witches. I am looking at Nyanda's and Kugubi's picture as I am writing this comment.

Musona - 19 September 2014

One section should read, " I will tell you why whites said blacks were barbaric back then. "When all the white soldiers and police went to the Boer war in Transvaal in 1890s the blacks slaughtered white families left behind hence the hanging of Nyanda whom people call Nehanda and Kagubi".

Musona - 19 September 2014

@Dr Know & Sabhuku Dont worry folks, me and Musona go way back. We know each each too well. He carries the bag of lies for which he lost the zip, I carry the bag of truth and the stitches. When he starts waffling, I always show up with the stitch (mutsunda wacho) to tstich his motor mouth. Here is Musona's profile: Age - anxcient ,juvinile mind: plenty Rhodesian tea : favourite suburb: Highfields Salisburry (e) default mode; Rhodesia. (d) favourite musician-Ian Smith(e) role model: Douglas Ian Smith (f) Desired ambition-to be Smith Douglas Ian when grown up. (g) Favourite skin colour-white (h)desired country to live in-Southern Rhodesia (i) brightness- ????. (i) bluh bluh bluh.

shame - 19 September 2014

@MUSONA , yu are very foolish and yu need help immediately before you nuts.Look what eveidence is there to show that the shona had no skills? U say those were arab creations ,,fine why didnt they build them in their own homes withe same architectural machinations.Where the Arabs trading slaves in Zimbabwe only?Why then didn't they build the ruins elsewhere in Africa.Tell you what yu are a loud sounding nothing .I hear yu are good at correcting gramma be informed `i dont live for writing.` Stop peddling funny lies.

hondo - 19 September 2014

@Musona "Don't you know blacks worshipped “mudzimu”. Very correct but what does 'mudzimu mean for blacks'? "Mudzimu' is derifed from Swahili 'Muzimu' In the regions around lake victoria, the 'Muzimu' was a concecrated tribe-set apart to intercede with the supernatural real when mankind had problems. It was more of this levitical/priesthood tribe. So when the Mbire migrated from central Africa, this Swahili tradition was part of the cultural luggage-except that pure 'Muzimu' tribe became extinct and as necessity is the mother of invention, they improvised a new breed of intercessors-'the dead' But not forgeting, the worshiping process was meant to rope in the Muzimu to interceed for the people so that Mwali head their prayers. The worship always wound up with Mwali being told the desires of the people. If you consider this to be unholy, then tell us more about the Anglo-Saxons' butchering of Injuns after Christopher Columbus lied that he had found a new England uninhabited by any man. Is that what you call 'greater colonial benefication?' The butchering first then the schools? These whites taught blacks nothing new.They are not inventors of Civilization. Go to Masvingo Ruins Musona and see for yourself what true civilisation of an advanced Bantu people means. And this nation will build better stone masonry again than the whites have ever seen and they shall troop back to offer more stupid theories. I hope by then there wont be another Musona

shame - 19 September 2014

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