MPs clash over Mugabe trip

HARARE - Patrick Chinamasa, Zimbabwe’s Finance minister, yesterday  told Parliament that President Robert Mugabe returned home without any money from his official State visit to China as legislators demanded details of the deals signed with Beijing.

The debate over Mugabe’s trip to China created chaos in Parliament with legislators exchanging angry insults.

Chinamasa was grilled by opposition MDC legislators whether the five-day trip had brought any monetary gain to the country’s struggling economy.

MDC MP Prosper Mutseyami queried the relevance of the trip.

The MPs questioned whether Mugabe had attempted to leverage mining concessions to bargain for a financial bailout.

“The trip you undertook as government ministers together, did you bring anything to help this economy which is facing problems?” Mutseyami asked.

“Is there any cash besides the commitments from the Chinese government in helping the country?”

The question, posed during the minister’s question time,  caused a furore, with Zanu PF legislators urging Chinamasa not to disclose details of the agreements, while MDC MPs demanded full disclosure.

Chinamasa said they had signed a number of agreements with Chinese entities for the financing of infrastructural development but there was no cash advanced to the Zimbabwe government.  

“MPs need to understand that the Chinese government is interested in funding infrastructure  development projects and they  do not give  anyone money to support our budget or any country’s  budget,” Chinamasa said.

“We had a dialogue with them and they agreed to fund us on the areas we are facing deficits that include dualisation of our roads, power and energy supply and water reticulation, amongst many viable projects. We did not get any money from  the  Chinese government but bankable projects and investments that we can rely on.”

Zanu PF MP Melody Dziva, who was the acting Speaker of the National Assembly, had a difficult time controlling the rancorous debate, as  MPs were exchanging insults.

Zanu PF MP Monica Chigudu stood up without  recognition from the Speaker, shouting  in vernacular: “Hatina kuuya muno kuzotukana kana kutamba. Musatipedzere nguva nemibvunzo isina basa. (We did not come here  to insult each other or play. Lets us not  waste time asking silly questions).”

Jacob Mudenda, the Speaker, had to return to the house, to control the flow of debate.

Comments (27)

"The question, posed during the minister's question time, caused a furore, with Zanu PF legislators urging Chinamasa not to disclose details of the agreements, while MDC MPs demanded full disclosure. Zanu PF MP Monica Chigudu stood up without recognition from the Speaker, shouting in vernacular: “Hatina kuuya muno kuzotukana kana kutamba. Musatipedzere nguva nemibvunzo isina basa. (We did not come here to insult each other or play. Lets us not waste time asking silly questions).” This is what the povo votes for? This is what people died for? Parliament is meant to represent the people governed. China-masa needs to disclose why they spent millions of dollars on a trip the country cant afford. People need answers, tax payers and their children's children will be still paying for these debts when these ministers and their children have moved to their $5M houses in foreign places like Hongkong etc.

Galore 123 - 4 September 2014

kusa pindura mibvunzo ndokutamba, nhai amai Chigudu

ZIM - 4 September 2014

It is very puzzling when Members of Parliament who are duty bound to represent their constituences would urge the Minister of Finance not to disclose a matter that is of national interest. What then do these honourable MPs report back when they go back to their respective constituences? Did we really vote overwhelmingly for such stooges?

Dr Know - 4 September 2014

ZANU PF ndiyo irikutamba nemi maCdes.......ivo ndivo varikutamba nenguva dzevanhu veZimbabwe. Nonsense dzevanhu.........Vana amai Chigudu chii chamunoziva imi in the Parliament iyoyo, Tax payer's money chete nekuita demand allowances at the expense of vanhu...Time is coming for the chaos when Uncle Bob is gone with time....Mati muchamugara mu Parliment imomo..Since mapinda imomo especially Amai Chigudu, chii chamakaitai kunze kwengo shauta muchisura at our expense Nonsense mboko

clemence tashaya - 4 September 2014

ZANU PF ndiyo irikutamba nemi maCdes.......ivo ndivo varikutamba nenguva dzevanhu veZimbabwe. Nonsense dzevanhu.........Vana amai Chigudu chii chamunoziva imi in the Parliament iyoyo, Tax payer's money chete nekuita demand allowances at the expense of vanhu...Time is coming for the chaos when Uncle Bob is gone with time....Mati muchamugara mu Parliment imomo..Since mapinda imomo especially Amai Chigudu, chii chamakaitai kunze kwengo shauta muchisura at our expense Nonsense mboko

clemence tashaya - 4 September 2014

It is clear that this Chigudu woman and her ilk in the zanu pf party don't know what they are supposed to be doing in Parliament. This is the type of leadership that Zimbabweans are said to vote for. Instead of asking questions on behalf of tax payers you rather sleep in Parliament. Well done the opposition MPs. At least you did your duty. We have globe trotting shopaholic leaders who over the years have nothing to develop this country. Cry the beloved country.

Nkosi Mambo - 4 September 2014

Mukosho wenyu mai Chigudu. Ndozvamakavinga ku parliament here izvozvo?

Chipoto vhaivhai - 4 September 2014

Mai Chigudu ndevemahumbwe ask Maina Mandava she knows that this woman has a big mouth and she talks war as if she ever went to war or even kubikira vanamujubha tinovazivaka vekwaChigudu. One thing I know vasina zvavakaita muhondo have dangerous kicks kuti vaite justify their positions because they don't have war credentials.

maita - 4 September 2014

The honourable MPs are very correct,the visit has to be justified as they went out at the expense of tax payers,if they could have gone at their own expense we wouldnt be concerned.Cdes its time you understand that Zimbabwe is not part of Zanu pf holdings but its vice -versa.Tell us what were you doing in China.We know that the fruits would not come now if something significant was agreed upon.Its high time our learn how to behave as civil servants.

carson Macate - 4 September 2014

Didymus Mutasa's unofficial spokesperson, Alfred Munonyara, is telling lies that Didymus Mutasa was deported from Rhodesia by Smith. The Didymus Mutasa camp are trying to justify Mutasa opting to go and stay in UK instead of going to an African country. Munonyara says, “On November 27, 1972, the Smith regime deported Mutasa from Rhodesia in terms of subsection (1) of Section 17 of the Emergency Powers (Maintenance of Law and Order) Regulations 1970”. And that, “He was actually deported by the Smith regime after they could not convince their own tribunal that he should remain in detention and, they released him on condition that he leaves Rhodesia.” THAT IS A BAREFACED LIE. The Smith regime would detain those whom they perceived to be engaging in activities deemed detrimental to the regime. Mutasa was a junior member of Zanu. If they were able to deal with the bigger boys like Ndabaningi Sithole, Takawira et all why would they have found it difficult to deal with a nonentity like Didymus Mutasa? Mutasa's air ticket and living expenses were paid by a white man, Guy Clutton-Brock. Therein lies the problem. Why would UK accept to take care of Rhodesia's problems? As far as I know there was no single black indigenous person who was deported by the Smith government. People went to the UK of their own volition. Despite what they say people just love UK. Joshua Nkomo escaped to UK in 1983 passing through Botswana. Why should someone speak on behalf of Mutasa purporting to know more about Mutasa than Mutasa knows himself? Mutasa and his people are unable to justify why he went to live in the UK not any other African country. But to say, Mutasa, a black Rhodesian, was deported to UK is, frankly, ridiculous and patronising. If Mutasa had admitted to an error of judgement then maybe he could not be having problems coming up with silly excuses like deportation to UK. If I was the journalist I would not have let Munonyara get away with the lies.

Musona - 4 September 2014

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Rumfreight - 4 September 2014

I am not saying he was not deported but was just curios how he got onto the plane. Was he using a British passport or a Rhodesian one? If it was a British one then that raises questions but if it was Rhodesian then he can't have been deported.

Thinking aloud - 4 September 2014

If ZANU PF had miraculously got funding, they would have had screaming headlines in the State media about their alleged victory over imperialists! They are being secretive because this trip was another opportunity for Mugabe to squirrel away more money overseas and also because they got nothing that will help alleviate the suffering of the povo.

mukwerekwere - 4 September 2014

ninyo inonga jende rehure mai chigudu

realkllly - 4 September 2014

On what basis would the Smith government deport Didymus Mutasa to the UK of all places? Why was he not deported to China or Russia or Brazil or N Korea or Nigeria? What was the arrangement? Was the Smith government going to pay Mutasa's and his wife's air fares to UK, living expenses and college fees? Nothing of the sort ever happened. It's the same as the downing of the imaginary helicopter by Joice Mujuru. Mutasa was a CIVIL SERVANT IN THE SOUTHERN RHODESIA GOVERNMENT which has been omitted on Mutasa's CV. Cherrypicking history. Why is it that when black anti-colonialist Zimbabweans insult each other they use English, the hated colonial language? And they all use loquacious and prolix colonial English terms to show how superior they are to others. They say they are anti-colonialist but they just love the colonialists' language. What a paradox. Good colonial English means you are superior and bad or broken English means you are an inferior human being in Zimbabwean society. Surely, if you are an anti-colonialist you should avoid the use of colonial English and stick to vernacular. In Mozambique, Angola, Congo etc they don't speak colonial English. Colonial English determines what standing a person has in Zimbabwean society. It does not matter what nonsense you are saying as long as you say it fluently in colonial English then people sit back and listen. Is this the same in Mozambique that colonial Portuguese determines a person's standing in society?

Musona - 4 September 2014

Please nothing will ever come from China.The recent trip to China was personal although the tax payer funded it. Just imagine, all the ZANU PF mps urged minister Chinamasa never to tell the nation about the achievements of the trip. Who voted for ZANU PF into parliament & for what? It is very clear ZANU PF has no clue how to turn around the fortunes of our economy.We are in for the hardest of times.

SANDO - 5 September 2014

i wonder if some of these so called MPs know their duty in parliament. i think some issues require general knowledge and if chinamasa is not disclosing the outcomes of the visit who will? nd was that visit meant for zanu pf or for the nation ..MPs be serious please musatambe nevanhu

ndanyarachaizvo - 5 September 2014

Aya ndoanonzi ma funnies

comrade - 5 September 2014

I watched this debate live on the television. To say there was a clash in Parliament demonstrates the level of lies these papers are carrying out day in day, lest the word "clash" must be re-defined. Vaingotamba zvavo mu Parliament and from what I concluded these guys are not serious nebasa.

Baba Ttti - 5 September 2014

Whats the purpose of the question and answer time if the MP refuse to disclose details of their so called official trip?

Muchayina Haasimurungu - 5 September 2014

I wonder what kick backs the Mugabe family got from the Chinese? $10 million? $50 million? There is no ways he went there on national business without increasing his personal fortune.

david taylor - 5 September 2014

And the ZANU-PF sheeple bleat in support of Mugabe.

david taylor - 5 September 2014

Zimbabwe needs someone like Malema who is strong and can stand against all odds. Zanu Pf will never do anything to restore the country. Tangomirira kufa tichitambura n i dont think normal people will vote for this party

Sabe - 7 September 2014

Kudos Chigubu sister give it to them..I will be with you next time as I intend to run for Harare East and I'm rest asured I will win big time coz I grew up there and my mama was a teacher at Greengrove primary for many years..many family loyalists will vote for me I know..ZAnu ndizvo manje ..shasha yemabhunu

heaveneaveah - 9 September 2014

Cde Chinamasa please you have been entrusted with the country's MOUs with China and hence you are obliged to disclose to your counterparts in Parliament or the zimbos in general!!

martin chipimo - 11 September 2014

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